Hello, hello. Welcome to another episode of the BigAppleSchool podcast with the goal of this show is to help you improve your English listening skills. Today we have a special format.
We have a wonderful new guest here on the show, and we're here to bring several different experts from different industries to bring an interesting discussion to our listeners.
Today we have Andrey. He's a brewer and he works here in Novosibirsk. And he has a company, a brewing company here in Novosibirsk. And we're going to be speaking about that. So welcome, Andrey. And we also have...
Welcome back, Ugur, and...
I'm sure you're familiar with those two.
Yes. Well have a lot of episodes which you can listen to. So you could hear all of us in many different ways. So welcome. So, Andrey, I believe you've been learning English. And how is that going?
Yeah, hello. I'm worried a little bit.
This okay, man, don't worry.
So if I should say anything.
Yeah. Just tell me about. Yes. Tell me about yourself where you're from and what you do.
Actually, I grew up not in big city, in the countryside.
And moved in Novosibirsk when I finish school.
Was this in the Novosibirsk region? Novosibirsk almost?
Yeah, yeah, in Novosibirsk region. It's 200 kilometers from Novosibirsk.
Oh, cool. Next to my house, there's, like, this пивнушка. It's like a beer shop. It's called Старый Тогучин. Are you from Старый Тогучин or is it different completely different place.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the place called Сузун.
So before we move on, I think we need to point out that Andrew's not just a brewer because he started as a home brewer. But over time, the usual hobby just turned into a life long business.
Yes. So now, as far as I know, you have your own production.
Yeah. I should say that I have an education in engineering industry. I graduated from.
Novosibirsk State University of Architecture and Civil Engineering as an engineer specialist and the first three or four years after that, I worked in the engineering company and had a lot of long time business trips. Like Sochi. In Sochi, we constructed Olympic objects and...
Oh, cool, so like Olympic stadiums and parks.
Stadium and the biggest object of Sochi olympiads.
The Olympics. It's in Russian it's called ГМЦ, the main media center.
It's a huge building. 500 on 500 meters in square.
Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of pavilions, rooms.
So you're basically kind of like an engineer with some architect?
No, our company and I make only engineering systems like heating.
Air conditioning, ventilation and so on.
Yeah, right. And after that I have a half of year in Saint Petersburg. We built торговый центр.
And there I meet with craft beer.
Yeah. It was 2014 and in Russia in this year craft beer revolution was started.
Oh, I remember this time.
And a lot of new breweries started up in this time. A lot of new beers and so, very unusual beers and I fell in love with this idea, with this culture. And I started to develope in this and I thought that my own beer at home, it's a great idea.
I think before we kind of like we need to hold the horses a little bit because I am ready to listen to that for, like, 2 hours.
But let's just take a short break and very quickly tell about our new promos and new projects.
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I feel like we have to say to our listeners about that and then we'll get right back into brewery.
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Back to the conversation.
But don't think that we'll let you just speak about brewing just yet, because we have tricky questions first.
Tell us about your English. Where did you learn it? How did you get to this level that you have right now?
I think that I went standard path in English. Standard in Russia. I learned English from the first class. But after school, I didn't know anything.
Ten years of English studying and nothing in my head. So it continued in university, at university, but after university graduating I realized that I need English and I started to study English with pain in different schools and with different teachers and so on.
So I paid for learning English instead of learn English at school and university.
Oh, it's very common. But I mean, think about it this way. Sometimes it's just difficult to teach everyone at school, you know, because there are so many people and just one teacher. And very often this teacher is just so exhausted and they don't need anything.
Yeah. And when you study at school and at university, you have one goal - finish it.
For the exams you study for the exams.
It's only for marks and for diploma and so on.
Yeah. Like we said on previous podcasts it's difficult at schools.
The problem that at schools and at universities teachers don't explain why I should learn English. Not English, exactly. But any other languages.
I mean, let's get real here. I try to explain to teenagers why they need English, and they're like, Google Translate. We have it. Three years upon graduation. I got messages like, I now understand why you were saying us, why we need English.
I told you so. So, yeah. When you are a teen, you know, when you were a student, I think no matter how many times you get told, like, oh, you need English, you like.
Well as I've said before that I work with some teenagers sometimes and the teenagers who speak really good English are the ones who play video games in English because they understand why they need English, because they're playing all these video games.
Everyone has their own reason and their own motivation.
Yeah. And they want and these video gamers want to understand what people in America are saying and they naturally just immerse themselves. They dive into the language and they feel like they have to learn it.
Whereas a lot of other teenagers that, Oh, I have to do this. And I don't blame them. It must be really boring experience if you don't know why you need to do it. It's just someone's saying words.
You need a self motivation for that. You just are setting aim for yourself.
Yeah, exactly you do need a lot.
Andrew, do you use English like in your daily life right now? Like in your business? In your life?
We had a lot of business contacts with European partners, but after COVID started all these relations fade.
Fade away, yeah. Now I use English only when I read literature, magazines related to brewing industry.
I don't know about brewing industry, but I know about some other industries like medical care and so on that all the newest things always appear in English fast before they're ever translated into Russian. Is that the same thing?
Yeah. It's the same because the last 20 years, the most progressive country in brewing industry is USA.
Oh, they have a cult of beer over there.
Yeah, it's the biggest brewing industry in the world. Almost all innovations in brewing come from from there.
So I guess you read a lot of or like you said, a lot of literature related to brewing. So I guess, you know, like a lot of English words about brewing, maybe that's like...
Technical words. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like wort, it's sweet liquid.
These two are the only ones I know, so that's my limit.
So, yeah. Well, you've told us how you got into brewing, how you got interested in that. So can you give us more detail how you started to develop it? Because you said that 2014?
Yeah, I started brew beer at home.
Just for yourself, like a little hobby?
For myself and for my friends because of the volume of beer. I can't drink.
If I may ask, so the thing is that, I don't know, I love beer as a customer, you know, like, but I have no idea how it is made. Because, you know, when I think about brewing, I think about this huge cisterns, you know, something like that. But brewing at home. What do you need? I mean, do you need some sort of machines?
You need a home kit for that, right?
Right. I try to explain it in some words. All you need it's a big kettle. Big kettle and the ingredients. You meal the grain, then steep in the kettle in hot water with proper temperature. Then you should separate liquid from.
Evaporate it? Evaporate the gas.
No, no, no. You should separate liquid from the hard parts of grains.
Then you should boil this liquid with hops and cool it and add yeast.
Oh, add yeast, yeah, yeah.
Yeast, yeah. And you should leave it for two or three weeks. And voilà.
Voilà. Okay, you got a beer.
I feel like this, oh, you just leave it for two or three weeks has its own catch.
It sounds very simple but it has a lot of...
Variable you just to be careful with, yeah.
Yeah, you can spoil your...
Your batch at every moment of this.
You would have to have like certain temperatures, certain material.
Of course you should have thermometer, areometer. Areometer it's glass equipment to...
No, no, to emerge gravity.
Oh, my Goodness. How were you doing all of that at home, you know?
Gravity, it's one of the most important characteristics of beer because you emerge starting gravity and finish gravity. And from these characteristics you can see alcohol volume. So it's...
So I can see how your engineering backgrounds work.
Gravity shows how much sugar in your liquid.
And, yeah, it's an alcohol. It turns into alcohol at the end, right?
You should in the start of process of fermentation.
You have starting gravity. Original gravity, right. And after that yeast start to eat sugars from the wort and produce alcohol and CO2. So after they eat all of sugar, you have finished gravity. And, from finish gravity and original gravity, you can считать.
Calculate alcohol volume.
You know, it sounds like...
That's the science. You know.
And we're just drinking it without knowing all this stuff.
See, now, you can appreciate it more every time you buy a six pack.
Very popular definition of brewing is, it's science and arts. Mix of science and art.
I'm just thinking. How did people discover beer? What was the...
I mean, yeah, how did it happen? Like, you know, back in history. So somebody like, Oh, you know what.
Let's party. But we need to find something, for instance.
I sometimes ask this question about all the things like how did people have this idea that they can do this with this and get something like back in history?
There is a theory that the first step was when ancient people leave some grains under the rain. And it started to ferment and they got some of simple beer. And after that moment this process started to modify.
Involve. Oh, my God. You know, because when we think about, like, alcohol, we don't understand how much is put into it, you know, cause, let's say, we just drink, be like, okay, nice.
But when I start thinking about it like, oh, my God, it's so much easier to make moonshine at home, you know. But beer... So cool. But what difficulties when you started the process, when you started to develop your business?
Did you make your own kettle for brewing beer? Did you make your own kettle or did you buy a cattle?
Yeah, I bought a big kettle for 40 liters.
Oh, okay. So it's like especially for making beer.
It's kettle was with false bottom to filtrate the water, to separate from your hard parts. So you should have also fermentation vessels. It's like a plastic...
Buckets, not buckets, but...
With hydro, actually airlocks. That's actually all what you need to start. But when you continue to make beer at home, you continue to buy different equipments, ingredients and one moment you realize that your home...
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of bags with malts, in refrigerator packets with hops, yeast and so on. And of course a lot of completed beers in bottles.
Yeah, you can just drink the house the whole.
I have a question actually. So, you know, if you make vodka improperly, it can be dangerous. Is it the same with beer or beer is not dangerous if you make a mistake.
It depends of amount of beers.
I mean, because, like, there have been rumors that people go blind, you know? You know, blind.
Like if you drink bad vodka.
In this point beer is more safety.
Yes. It's much safer than drinking vodka.
And you can get a headache, but...
So cool. What would you suggest to someone who wants to start making their own beer? Are there any specific shops they should go to?
Oh, you can buy beers legally, your home beer. But after I brewed beer at home for a year or so on, I decided to brew beer in commercial brewery. And I saw a vacancy from one of brewery, and I decided to leave my engineering career to make beer.
And I started from very initial position of brewer helper. And it was some kind of downshifting for me because I live some in the money and the brewery located in Академ городок. And I should move every day.
Oh, you had to go like from the city like every single.
But you were chasing your dream.
Yeah. And after year more some guys opened craft beer magazine in Novosibirsk called Йо-хо-хо. They offer me to open our own brewery. And, of course I agreed with this offer. Yeah, of course.
Was it scary, though? Was it scary to go from, like, working for another brewery to start your own business?
Yeah. I was ready for this because it was step forward and I agreed and from 2016 I am brewery co-owner and we make beer for 6 or 7 years.
It's a really fun industry. I've got a friend who's... Do you know Fuller's in London?
Yeah, of course. Yeah. My friend's dad, he was the master brewer at Fuller's and it was just... And he showed me around not, not the Fuller's brewery, but worked at a different brewery and it looked like such a fun job. And I can totally understand why you love the industry.
It's like a whole lifestyle to it as well.
Of course, in this industry a lot of routine. But there are any industries in any fields. But what I like in this industry you can ask advices from other brewer and there is no place for secrets.
Transparent process, everyone knows everything about how to make the beer, right?
Of course there are people who save the secret.
But the most of them open for conversation.
So basically you see other brewers not as like competition or something or your enemies, but more as...
Colleagues, community. Yeah.
It's difficult situation. On one side, yeah, everyone is open, but on another side of course there is...
Competition because as you try to make the best beer or the most interesting beer, or the most high beer. So there is a place for competition, of course.
I have a question about competition, actually. Because now I feel like there is a boom. And from basically I remember from 2000 well, I remember it from like 2015 that the suddenly there was a boom in breweries and everything.
And it was suddenly such a big thing. What is it like to compete with all this? Because I feel like there are so, so, so many breweries or pubs, or whatever in Novosibirsk right now?
I was about that, how many breweries in Novosibirsk in total?
Must be a lot. Must be a lot. How many breweries do we have here in Novosibirsk?
In Novosibirsk. I think 20.
That's just in the city, yeah.
A lot of these breweries make a very base simple beers like Тогучинское.
Benjamin is well-familiar with the assortment of this пивнушка.
But several breweries like our and I can say it Гуси brewery from Академ actually where I started to work in this industry.
Гуси and maybe something else. We make more interesting beer more called craft beer actually. And we try to experiment with ingredients, with styles and...
Yeah, yeah. So if we give beers from every brewer in Novosibirsk only our or from Гуси brewery beer will be выделяется.
Will stand out, will stand out.
Yeah, yeah. And another beers will be very similar.
I have a question. So, your brewery, so you make beers for Йо-хо-хо?
Is this the only place where you, guys, sell it, or do you also supply other places?
No, we supply in bars, restaurants and some shops, beer shops. Yeah.
Because I was always wondering, like, what it's like because, again, you never know. You never think about, you know, the other side of this business. Again, we usually just, you know, buy it and try.
Buy it and drink it, yeah, just consume it.
Without thinking much about it.
I learned a lot today. This is the science.
And also you have the whole graphic design side of the business, like a lot of the beer companies have really cool graphic design.
Right. How important is that?
So you should especially in craft beer, the design of your can or bottle. It's very important thing.
I have to say, I have this beer shop not far from me, which is called Valhalla, and they sell a lot of beer. And I have to confess, very often I come in and I'm like, I have no idea what this flavor or taste is, but I absolutely love the design. Like, I'm getting it. I don't care what the taste is.
So, you know, in America, you definitely I'm sure you definitely know Pabst Blue Ribbon, of course, you know, the famous big beer company. Like the beer itself is not amazing, but everyone buys it because the can looks amazing.
It's you know, it's like you're not judging a book by the cover, you know. But really we, customers, sometimes are attracted to this bright things, cute cans and everything.
So, yeah, I remember once I was in a shop and I was, Is that a can of stout with a dog on it? I'm getting it. Was it good? I don't remember, but I remember the dog.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do you like the boring like American beers, like Budweiser and...
Of course. I need to say that of course I like experimental beers.
But on everyday I prefer...
Yeah. Because it's very complicated with food. It's light in alcohol. And so you can get couple of cups and it will be okay.
What is your favorite like major brand beer?
I love brewery called МПК, Moscow Brewing Company. And they produced beer called Пильзенское. And it's my favorite...
Yeah, yeah. And it's my favorite beer for every day.
Cool. Well, what are the differences between Czech beers and German beers? And Polish beers as well, they have a completely different kind of flavor.
Why do you think about Polish, it's not usually the combination that comes to mind. You know, beer, first association like Germany, Czech Republic, Poland.
Oh, just because they are next to each other. Also in England, we have a lot of Polish beer as well.
Polish famous for the meat, not for beer. And differences between German and Czech beers. I think the most noticed moment it's bitter. Czech beer is more bitter than German. And German is more drinkable.
Yeah, but I want to notice that in Germany, there are a lot of styles, of beer styles and they can be very different. And the difference between a couple of beers can be so big. When you will drink one of them, you can't say that this beer from Germany.
Yeah. Vice beer. Did you like it?
So vice beer the one of the most unusual German beer, beer styles is Gose. It's sour and salty beers.
I think I've tried these before. It's surprisingly interesting. Yeah. It's completely different.
And we make this beer and in summer season, it's very a very popular position, yeah.
Cool. It's completely different. Yeah. The taste is like, yeah.
Sounds interesting. Really. And what would you say is the biggest difference between, like, this craft beer culture in Russia and, let's say, craft beer culture in other countries? Or are we basically the same in terms of it?
It's the global movement, would you say?
Uh, yeah, there is difference. And the most not interesting, but the most noticeable thing that a lot of craft beer consumers located in Moscow. Actually, it's a half of craft beer market in Russia.
Yeah. Then quarter part of markets is Saint Petersburg. And another quarter it's the rest of Russia.
I mean. It's kind of yeah.
In regions, craft beer consumers is very countable. It's very restricted. So to develop your craft brewery, you should sell your beers in Moscow or St Petersburg. So if you will sell your beers only in your home region, it's will be very local.
Well, I guess another good market is university students. Well, at least in England, like, brewers like to hang around university areas because, of course, they like to drink generally.
I mean, I don't know. But I think in Russia it's not the case because the thing is that students...
They go to university to study.
Oh, please. Come on. It's more about the income. The students don't have money for good beer as a rule. They buy whatever is cheaper. Whereas, you know, in other countries, students, well, they can afford buying beer.
So that's the difference. In Russia, you know, if I remember student years, nobody ever would buy anything, you know, worthy because there is no money.
Well, yeah, on a good day.
You know, but that's just it. I think that in Russia now it's more about past student time, like people who are most consumers.
But even if we say about not only students, but not a lot of people who can buy craft beer because usually this beer is pretty expensive.
So much more expensive than the usual one. Yeah, but it's worth it.
And what would you say..? What are the things that really sells beer? So is it the marketing or how do you market a beer? Is it just via logos and TV? How do you market beers?
As usual, it's social media. It's personal contact with bars' owners and so on. And of course we have sell manager who call to distributors, to beer shops, to bars and so on. So in Russia, channels of marketing for alcohol products is very limited.
Yeah, it's restricted because you can't advertise it on TV.
Yeah, you can't place banners and so on on the streets, you can't translate your products on TV.
Tasting, tasting events are allowed. Is it allowed, right?
Yeah. But not on the street.
You can organize event in bar, for example, with free degustation.
Oh, tasting. Yeah, tasting.
I kind of remember was that like a beer fest by Гуси this summer or something like that? I remember there was some sort of event that a lot of people went to.
I'm not sure, but I know in England. Well, I used to live near by a place that had a beer fest.
One of very popular marketing channel is beer festivals.
Right. In the US, so I was living in Massachusetts and there are a hell of a lot of breweries over there. And the thing is that a lot of them had free tours with free tasting. It was like, no way. No way, they, like absolutely free. You just leave a donation.
Like, it could be as much as you want to. Some people left a couple of dollars, some people left like $10. But, yeah, they would give you a tour around, show you things, and then you would have these four samples of different beers, you know, and I love this format. You know, in general of these tastings, you could go to any brewery.
The whiskey distilleries in Scotland as well. Yeah, if you go to Scotland you have to go to the whiskey distilleries. They are amazing.
And in general, I love the system, you know, of different pubs and places, let's say, in the US where you can have this tasting set like, let's say, four, five, six different types of beer of cider, or something just to try.
Because in our case I don't think we have that in many places, you know, that you can come and order a tasting set. So because I would love it, you know, just like before I make a decision, although in some places you're just like, I don't know, do you want to try? I'm like, Yeah, please. And they just pour you a little bit and you like, Yeah, let's do this one or another one.
Another thing I was going to mention in England, we have this organization called Camra, which stands for, oh, you know Camra, yeah, Campaign for...
Exactly. Yeah. Do you want to talk about that a bit? Do you have a similar organization in Russia?
Yeah, we have some unions in Russia and our brewery consisting National Union of Beer and Drinks Producers.
Yeah. But unfortunately, in Russia, these organizations don't have enough of influence. Like in England, for example. Because our state is very strict and very vertical oriented.
So a lot of new laws and so on. They sign by president and so on without market comments.
Well, also in England, we have pub culture and pubs are such an important part of the UK culture and I guess they have, they lobby the government in the UK, whereas in Russia you have bars, but it's not same culture.
In Russia we have a very strong vodka lobby.
But brewing industry, unfortunately, is not very influence.
Tell me, is it true that beer only until recently was considered an alcoholic drink in Russia? I believe before, beer was not really considered to be like an alcoholic drink.
I believe now people are looking at beer more like an alcoholic drink. But before people thought beer is like Coca-Cola, you can just drink it.
Yeah, in the Soviet Union, the beer wasn't alcohol, actually.
And in the early of 20th century, light beer can be consumed by child.
I thought I was right. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there was a beer, dark beer with 1.5% of alcohol. Very light. Light sweet. And it was like Cola or quass.
Wow, I love it how Benjamin knows very random things about Russia's history. You know, that it's sometimes, like, what?
Well, it's, you know, a lot of Russians know a lot about British history that I don't even know about it. It's just...
It depends which culture is fascinating.
Yeah, and the last 15 years every alcohol in Russia regulated in one way. It doesn't matter what is exact beers, vodka and so on. It's regulated in the same way.
And many people think that it's not very right. Because if we talk about England, the beer industry in England is regulated in a different way. They have акциз.
Oh, taxes, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Taxes for beer producers is less than from producers, for example, whiskey and so on.
Well, I guess. I don't know. Maybe cause in England, we have a lot of alcoholics and, yeah, both England and Russia have a history of alcoholism. And I guess maybe the government recently has started to tackle stronger alcoholic drinks more further.
It's interesting to notice the difference in the pop culture in general, because, let's say, in Russia, you go to a pub, you can see all types of people over there. I remember the first time that I was in London, I wanted to go to a pub.
I was the only girl there and they looked at me like, Honey, are you lost? Like, I want to have a pint of beer, please. They like, Are you sure this is the right place for you, Hon?
And they were all like, you know, all men, most of them, you know, like in the forties, fifties. And they just looked at me like, this is not really a place for you, Hon. Like, just go.
You find a smaller pub in.
It was a tiny pub in Highgate.
You should cry sexist, sexist.
That was back in 2013, you know. But, yeah, but I was like, Oh, my God, is it really not a thing here? Like, what is it like? What is the culture like? Cause in Novosibirsk, nobody cares really.
But in there I thought, Is everywhere like that, is it not everywhere like that. So until the end of my stay, I was like, I'm not going to a pub anymore, ever.
Well, there's so many different types of pubs, different cultures of pubs. You have student pubs, you have old geezer pubs, you have pubs the builders go to. There're so many different types of pubs.
Unless you know, then you can be in an awkward situation.
But now a pint of beer in England, so expensive, especially in London. I haven't bought a pint in a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was over £6 now.
Oh, yeah. Easily. Easily.
How much is the average pint of beer?
In Novosibirsk, would you say?
Yeah. Yeah. What is the price of beer right now? Roughly.
No, no, 500. And the cheapest beer costs I think 200.
Yeah, I think it's like from 200 to like 350. I mean average because of course there are like more expensive beers really. So, yeah.
But the average price I think the 300 rubles.
The one I usually buy is now 390.
But local Moscow Moscow brewery Stout. I don't remember the name, though. Belhaven, I think Belhaven Stout.
And you said you prefer lighter beers, like...
Like lighter colored beers, or do you also like the porters and the stouts?
It depends of the situation. If you want to spend calm time at home, you can drink one portion of stout for the whole evening. But sometimes I like to drink light beer with different foods. And I prefer...
Yeah. And which beer gives the worst hangover?
Oh, yeah, yeah. You know.
Yeah, it can be, of course.
But which one has the worst? Does a porter give the worst hangover, stouts or vice beer or which beer is the worst for hangovers?
Think you can't say anything like?
Depends on alcohol volume and amount of beers. And that's all. Because alcohol is alcohol. And so it doesn't matter what you drink beer, light beer, dark beer or vodka.
I mean, there are so many other aspects, you know, your personal like health and everything, how you react to alcohol.
Whether you've had any food, what kind of food have you had, you know.
Because I get such bad hangover. So I had to stop.
I should say that if brewer makes the mistake during fermentation of beer and fermentation temperature was too high. It can be, the finish beer can be very...
Yeah. Yeah, it contains high weight spirits and they can make hangover.
I have a question to you, Benjamin, because Benjamin says that he's having, like, horrible hangovers. Do you always buy beer in that пивнушка next to your building?
I've tried so many beers like. The last, so I had to stop drinking because, yeah, I can't continue.
It's just personal body, you know, like, reaction.
Cause I loved the taste of beer.
There are things like that, yeah.
I also like drinking quass as well because it has, like, almost no alcohol. And, yeah, I used to drink a lot of beer. Loved it. But, yeah, the hangovers were just too much for me.
I can't teach a lesson if I have a hangover.
Yeah, I have to stop. But are you blessed with having no hangovers or do you get rotten hangovers as well?
Oh, well, you know, I know myself, I know how to drink. So, let's say, I know that if I have lots of, like, sweets or something, it's going to be bad. But, you know, I follow the rule, like have your food with it.
And usually the pub that I go to, oh, they know people. So, you know, after like two or three pints, they like, Have some water, dear. I'm like, thank you.
What about you, Ugur? Would you get bad hangovers?
If I drink a lot I have. But, yeah, as you said, I need to eat something before.
But I get hangovers even if I have like one or two beers and it's... Yeah, I think it's just my body. I don't know.
God bless you, your poor soul.
I don't get drunk. But I just get a hangover.
To prevent hangover you can drink a water.
Yeah, you can mix beer and water. And it was more comfortable in the morning.
Yeah. But I actually drink a lot of water.
But in Brazil, they have these tablets which are not legal in the European Union.
They're called Hangov. And you take a tablet before you go out and drink and then you take a tablet after you drink.
So it's not alcozeltzer, but it has a lot of magnesium and some other ingredients and you just don't have a hangover.
So nothing illegal, basically. I mean, in the ingredients.
No, no, it's not cocaine or anything like that.
Just making sure you're not.
But it's not approved for use in the EU, so.
Maybe it's not good for you.
In Vietnam, they served the beer with ice for preventing the hangover.
Yes. It's a mixture of beer and water and aims to stop the hangover next day, but, yes.
It tastes horrible. You know.
And in Greece, I don't know if you've what have you noticed in Greece how they serve...
Not ouzo. Oh, God, it's horrible. Ouzo is horrible. But the glasses, they freeze the glasses and then they serve the beer.
Yeah, it's the same in Turkey.
Oh, they do in Turkey too.
Chilled glass. And after that, you can pour your beer and enjoy. That's cool. That's all right.
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