Hey there and welcome to theBigAppleSchool podcast, an English show where we speak about everything under the sun. The major goal of the show is to help you with your listening skills and of course, learn something new. My name is Katya, and I am joined here by three wonderful guests.
And Alyona. So, guys, first of all, what's up? What's new? What's shaking? Do you have any news?
The only thing I'm doing now, it's doing some repair work at home. And this is crazy. Yeah.
Oh, are you doing the renovation and all that?
Sort of. Yes. The wallpapers, the floors. Yeah. You know, linoleum.
Oh, my family helps a little bit. Yeah.
I mean knowing you, it's not really news. You know, it's more surprising if you said, You know what? I decided to cut down on coffee, and I would be like, Oh, no way.
Yeah, I used to. I used to, you know, cut down on coffee a little bit, not anymore.
Oh, crazy days. So, guys, we're slowly heading to spring time. Are you excited?
Of course. Much more sun.
It's been so muddy and slushy on the roads, so. Yeah, I guess that's the one of the one of the downfalls of that situation.
Oh, the downfall, I think is also today when we had -10 at night and all this mud and slush turned into ice, that's like walking, you know.
Taxi, yes. Is the only way to move around. Yeah. Because otherwise.
But you have to be outside sometimes.
I went outside yesterday.
So that's enough for the week. I can take it. Yeah. All right, well, I can share some news. Although it might be not as surprising or something but as some of you guys know it is. You know, we have speaking clubs in Telegram. So in this week, we... It was really nice coincidence. So I had a speaking club, this livestream in Telegram about ecology and eco friendliness. The very next day I have my Spanish class and my tutor is like, So our topic for today is ecology and eco friendliness. I'm like, Well, well, well, isn't that a nice coincidence? So you guys haven't had any livestreams yet, right? So it's all ahead of.
Oh, it's fun experience. It's fun experience. To those listeners who do not really understand what we're talking about, we now have our speaking clubs in Telegram, which you can join, so you can speak there, practise your speaking and it's all absolutely free. So it's usually happening once a week, sometimes, you know, once in two weeks, twice a week. So just stay tuned. Follow us on Telegram in the Telegram channel, where we also post hell of a lot of things like extracts from TV series and so on. So yeah, and in there we post announcements for these speaking clubs. They're really fun. So make sure to check them out because I really enjoy talking to people over there. And what I really love is that we have people joining from different parts of Russia and different countries. So we had listeners who joined from Switzerland, from Ukraine, from Afghanistan, although that was the guy who moved from Afghanistan to Russia, from different parts of Russia, from Yakutia, from Saint-P, from Novosibirsk.
Oh, I think that's amazing. Wow.
That's that's actually what's really good about online. Yeah. Education. Really. I have a student from Khabarovsk and another one from, by the way, a couple of students from Moscow from Krasnodar. Yeah. I used to have a student from Israel. Yep. Adorable.
This is what I love now, remember the days before COVID when since we are located in Novosibirsk, we would only logically have students from Novosibirsk. So. But COVID kinda gave this to us, gave this freedom. So now we have students from all over the world. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. Another thank you for those who actually come across our school and decide, you know, to have classes with us even though we are located somewhere in Siberia. You know.
So, guys, and before we move to our main part, I also can't but mention the private telegram chat that you all are also members of. So we have this. A private telegram chat which you can find in telegram if you search BigAppleChatBot, this is where you can chat with us, with all of us, with all teachers at any time of day and night. Basically, whoever's online will answer you. So this is where we post aftershow for the podcast and we have some changes. So now aftershow of the podcasts is released only once in two weeks. So aftershow is a great opportunity to get extra content and have extra practice.
This is also the place where we post vocabulary lists, sometimes memes, audios, videos. This is where you can chat with other members, so make sure to check this out. I don't know. Do not know about others. I'm online nearly most of the time that I'm not working and I'm always looking for some opportunity to chat and I'm like, Hey guys, let's chat. And sometimes there's like, no one, no one wants to chat? No one to chat? I am, I am I too much? So but let's chat with you all about our today's topic. So, today we are going to talk about lifelong learning. And my first question would be what the hell is that?
It's like when you learn all your life.
Like every day university, you know? Yeah.
Can you be more... Is it like studying... What exactly is learning in this case? I mean, so you said every day university but studying what or learning what?
Actually there are different types of it. So the first one is, I think formal education. Yes. So it is either school or university and some sort of I courses. Yeah. Like language learning. Yes. And the other type is, I think, informal. Yeah. So this is for your self-development. Yeah. And also it can be watching videos, podcasts, right. And stuff. Yeah.
Right. So and this is you who actually choose that and it all depends on you and that is timeless.
Yeah, the most important point here is that nobody's forcing you.
It's your initiative. You want to learn, you want to know something else, something new. It's like, you know this, I don't know thirst inside of you that you want to kind of.
You know, that's that's actually a very good point that we are not forced because if we remember our university days very often, we didn't want to do things because we were forced. And Natalie might remember when we were in our second year of university, we had philosophy classes.
I absolutely did not. I was 17 at the time.
And I was like, Oh, you know, it's so boring. Now I look back and think, Yeah, well, because I was 17, like, who would enjoy philosophy at the age of 17? Natalie would. Okay, So but now, like, when you're like in your thirties, you already think this is actually something I would enjoy reading by myself and trying to understand maybe getting something new. So yeah, this is a huge factor in lifelong learning. This is something you really want to do yourself.
Actually it's funny because when I think about university, especially English classes, you know, we had Ульяна Леоннидовна who you know, of course. It's our great teacher.
Can I also reveal that for one month they also had me as their teacher.
Strange situation, you know. So I had a teacher. Yeah. Katya as a teacher, so yeah. And she kind of she forced us. She really forced us to, like, learn. But for me it was kind of different because everybody was struggling, everybody was being tortured, you know? But for me, it was fun. I don't know why. She was like, okay, you have to do this and this and that. And I was...
I can do that. French, yeah.
So that felt like. I sometimes have a feeling that you have more of an English soul than a French one, You know.
Some... Actually, that's fine. And but this one person I remember, she was Canadian, I think she told me that I look like a French person and I speak like a French person. And I don't know, like she said, the same about me, but like, as if I have a French soul or something that I don't know what it meant, to be honest. But that's kind of strange.
Well, obviously since we're talking about lifelong learning and all of that. You knew, I'm going to ask you a question. So what about your lifelong learning? So is there something you are learning? Is there something you are doing at the moment? Well, I'd say within the last couple of years, something that you were doing. Yes.
I think the teaching is learning.
Teaching, yeah. Teaching is expanding your horizons every day so that you explore new ways of teaching and approaching your students.
Yeah, I just thought about this today, sorry for interrupting.
I thought that we have the, you know, this sphere, like again, teaching English. It's like when you can be connected to any other sphere.
You can learn about law, you can learn about medicine. You can learn about anything, basically, because language is a tool and you can learn about anything from your students even. So, for example, when I have a lawyer as a student, she will definitely tell you about this. Marketing. You will learn a lot. Definitely. So it's like you learn all of this information.
Yeah. You sort of absorb it all and actually share after that. Yeah, exactly. This is experience. And you of course, you want to share.
Your eyes are like bright and. Yeah. And you want, you know, guys I learnt something new. Yes. Would you like to know that?
And it doesn't necessarily to be like a profession or something. You learn about location. Most of my students are talking about Russia, different cities in Russia. So have you been there and have you been there? No, not yet. You should be there. You should go there. You should visit there. So they are talking about why I should visit there. So I'm thinking that's kind of interesting idea. So location,can... yeah location can be like a teaching kind of thing, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah. This is the beauty of our job. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Even if you follow just the course book. Yeah. Yeah. The course book...
Escpecially advanced, for example.
So it provides you with such really interesting material you can learn about. I don't know, the development of the person. Yeah. About the different traits of character and I don't know about environment.
All the spheres, basically. Environment, psychology, neurology even, you know, brain functions, stuff like that.
Well, nowadays, together with the concept of lifelong learning, there is also concept of CPD. Are you familiar with...?
Professional development, continuous professional development. So and if we look at the trends, let's say lately we can see that both lifelong learning and CPD have been booming. So why do you think is that? Why do you think there's suddenly an unbelievable amount of courses of all of that?
I have a couple of theories. Anybody else?
Yeah. Yeah, I have two. Two options on that... One... I'm sorry. Go, go first.
You are keeping quiet, so I'll take my authority.
You know, we can. We can think about in both... Mm hmm. It's think about, like, a coin and one part of the coin that you can consider the employer. Why employer wants the employee to be developed in professional ways. And the other part of the coin, it was. It is like the an employee himself or herself. Right. It can be one for the business development or business scheme change or upgrade, we can say or the other side. If the employee is kind of seeking an individual professional development, it can be beneficial for himself or herself.
But mostly the employers are motivating their employees. All right, you should do this. And I can use this skill in here or in there. So at the same time, you can also sharpen your skills and add something extra to you.
So I have an example to actually when I used to work for Megaphon, when something changed, for instance, when we changed our OS from XP to Windows 7. So the company provided some sort of training for the employees. You're right. To get used to new features there. Yes. Or maybe some deeper understanding of Excel, for instance, for the people who needed that. Yes. So that was. Yeah, like...
Mm hmm. Natalie what was your theory?
It was more about psychology, you know? So life is kind of getting better. Mainly, I would say. Yes. So people are enjoying life more so and that's why basically, again, it's just a theory. So and if people are enjoying life, so they want to learn more about it, they kind of want to understand how it works.
And again, it's not about survival anymore. It's not about, you know, basic needs. It's about something else. So it's like a higher level, you know.
Compared to, let's say, earlier times when people had to struggle just to feed their family, keep the roof about their head, you know? So now we have these basic needs covered, so we have a chance to go deeper. Oh, that's...
But again, some people use it for just entertainment. I know scrolling, you know, their feed or something like that, but some people just use it for something else. But again, there might be some pressure about that also, you know, because people want to be useful. People want to be productive all the time. And this is like, you know..
Not necessarily depressing, but a little bit of pressure.
Yeah. I have one more thing. We all live in the digital era nowadays, so we have to be up to date.
Yeah. We have to learn something new every day. Sort of.
And we can connect to that one more thing is that because we live in a digital era, so we have a much higher competition, right?
So let's say if again, earlier, we would only be able to work with people in our city. So now we have to compete with people from all over the world. And if you want to get, you know, on top of your area, you have to develop whether you want it or not. So the competition is the one especially, you know, in the times of change. Let's put it this way. So whenever we have the times of change, let's say it was COVID, then it was something different than COVID. So the only people who stayed on top and didn't lose the job and didn't, you know, have anything bad happened to them were those who were developing all the time.
Flexible or adapting. Yeah. So they can see the change.
Well, yeah. Okay. I would have some comments like, you know, how everyone believes that is the strongest who survives. But it's actually not true. And it's...
It's the most, like, how to say.
It's the friendliest who survive.
Oh, wow. But it's interesting.
Yeah, but it's a thing to discuss in another podcast episode.
About evolution or something like that.
We should have one about science you know.
Or being opportunistic. You can also thinking on that one. All right find something that would work, work on it, train the personnel, launch it, that's it..
But as we've mentioned with the technology and everything, it's also become much more easier, much easier to learn. Because let's say now we don't have to go to the library, find the sources and so on, only do it through books. Now we can literally develop either professionally or non-professionally, like with our phone in hand. You wake up, you can watch a lecture or something like that. If you have to commute. So let's say every time I go to my mom, it takes at least an hour like, Hmm, okay, so I can read a book, I can watch some lectures, I can listen to podcasts, I can just scroll Instagram, the amount of opportunities endless. And I only do that once every couple of weeks. Now, imagine people who commute every single day for a couple of hours. There you go. There you have it.
It depends on them. If they want to develop so they'll learn something new, they'll read the book or a podcast, whatever, you know, if they want to have fun so they'll just scroll...
Actually yeah. I have... Sorry.
That is okay. Don't worry.
Yeah, I have a couple of students. Actually most of my students are like that, you know, who always develop. They have their profession, they have their jobs, but they learn something else. They have... The get new hobbies, new sports. I don't know new things that they do. And it's so fascinating. It's like, so impressive and...
That's not only about adults, but also about teenagers.
Teenagers are crazy. I mean, it's a fact.
Because every time I talk to the teenagers, so either they try a new kind of sport and they just dive deep in that.
But I think for teenagers it's a bit easier. They're still kinda being formed. You know, they're still kind of...
What is surprising me, though, and if we remember our teenage years as well. So when we were...
It doesn't matter. But think about it, they have classes every single day. Most times it's six times six days a week. At the same time, they somehow find time to socialise, to go out with friends, to have hobbies...
To learn something new, to play video games nowadays. To like do so many things and they seem to be all right. How are you people dealing with that?
They don't have to work, you know.
Yes, but at the same time they're studying for like 10 hours a day, six days a week.
Or our times were kind of okay because we didn't have that kind of electronic devices that... We had to waste our time with. So but you were wasting our times different in different ways. Just remember, we were, I guess, more social in a way. We were spending...
Yeah, but still, I was the kind of, uh, teenager who loved. I don't know, I have a pile of encyclopaedias at home, I guess.
Yeah, but not just some sort of reading, some encyclopaedia. That was...
I love all kinds of reading.
Really, really interesting. Yeah. To learn something new, like biology wow... Go for it. Yeah.
I love it, actually. Yeah. Yeah. If you speak about it again, you know, all this lifelong learning. So I remember like it was probably last year when I decided to make, you know, a schedule for myself. So, okay, for example, I have work, of course, but then I have, for example, 4 hours of, you know, free time. And I, like, wrote down what I was going to do. Then, you know, for example, first hour is learn something about psychology, social psychology, for example. Course. Yeah. Then something about physiology, then something about what was it? Yeah, there were like a lot of things...
Was relaxing in the picture?
But it was kind of, you know, it was just yeah, it was so fulfilling and it was so... it was nice. You know, I felt it again, like back to school, but I wanted to do it. I really enjoyed it.
So you use past tense in all of this situation. So what happened?
I'm not good with discipline, to be honest.
Okay, So in this case, it was the matter of discipline rather than getting tired of all of that.
Definitely. Yeah, because I still want to do it. I still have these courses on Coursera, if you know.
You're getting the habit in a way.
Feel like I feel like one of the I don't want to say mistakes, but one of the things that people tend to do is that they think, okay, lifelong learning, I'm going to do this, this, this, this, this, and then they kind of go overbored with that. They do too much. And of course, when you try to do all of the things at once and too much at once.
They don't remember the essence of it.
It's not even about remembering. You get so tired easily. So and then you lose motivation because you're like, Oh, you know, what? It's like, oh...
Whereas if you start to involve it, you know, like, or add it to your day, like slowly but surely in bits and pieces, it might have a more lasting...
It doesn't? So you just dive straight into this ocean?
It's either that or nothing. It's always like that. But again, it's not about burning out or getting tired. It's about forgetting, you know? So it's like, for example, I have this million of courses, and I'm still fascinated by them. I'm like really, really interested in them, but I just forget that they exist, you know? I have, like, I don't know...
So you're kind of easily distracted by some other...
So I'm here starting a new course in psychology. Oh, look the course on physiology. Okay, I'm focusing on that. Oh, look another one. You're like Dory, the fish.
Maybe. Again I have probably, like, 50 courses on Coursera.
All different. Philosophy, psychology, neurology, physiology. Again, like I said before, medicine. Yeah, a lot. A lot. One that's only Coursera.
So that's why I actually when I had that, like, lust for studies. Yes. Oh, so I started my teaching career and actually I forgot that yeah. Because teaching. So as we have already discussed, so provides us with a lot of new knowledge, material. Yes. So that's why you grab something from philosophy. Alright. Yeah. You grab some ideas from even medicine, neurology, whatever, psychology. And you're like, Oh my goodness. So I can dive deeper there. But not...
Have enough to spark your interest and actually learn a thing or two, but at the same time you don't have to be so devoted.
In case I need that or so I can research something. Yes, I can read little...
Just learn what the topic is. Yeah. Take your research and present your student. Then you're also enlightened. In a way.
So speaking about, you know, all these lifelong learning and stuff. So are there any skills you would like to acquire in the future? Might be professional, might be non-professional.
Skills. You mean practical skills?
I would like to be a surgeon. Well, yeah, because I worked with them for like five years or something. I know...
Don't want to demotivate or anything, but you have to, like, go to medical school. Yeah.
You're seriously contemplating this?
I, yeah, I used to think a lot about it after I graduated from the university. Should I just go to some...
Yeah, that's what I'm.. Yeah, I need to...
I have a friend, actually. And he's half Turkish, actually.
Surprisingly, maybe you have this thing, you know, for being a surgeon or something.
What an interesting mix. I was waiting for half horse, half Turkish or something centaur. Yeah, and a half Norwegian. Good one. Okay, and?
And he was in his 30s I think when he started, you know... I am speaking to him maybe, like, for six or seven years. Like, you know, just talk sometimes. And he was contemplating the idea of being, you know, like a doctor for a while because all his families are doctors, basically. And he decided to go for it. He's a lawyer, actually, by his major. But he's actually learning now. He's like on the second year. On the third year, I don't remember actually, but yeah..
That is great. But it depends also on the motivation, the time and your... I don't know, it's all about...
You need some kind of passive income probably.
I would learn how to fish properly and I would be a fisherman so I have two polar...polarized kind of... Okay. I can cultivate shrimps after learning it.
Well, fishing doesn't have to be like, you know, a profession in order to enjoy it. You can still like, you know, fish all the free time you have. Yeah.
And also you can make money from that. Maybe like a crab catching or king crab or snow crabs, like, I don't know. In Baltic Sea or whatever. That sounds cool.
I love Baltic Sea... Of all seas... Baltic Sea. Okay.
That's interesting. Well. I've always wanted to learn how to cook. You know, professionally cook. Like a chef.
This is something I would enjoy too.
So much. Really. You know, like to actually go to the courses. I'm still... I'm actually considering it, you know.
And you know French. It helps yeah.
So I can go to France, to learn.
There are like very popular French pastry schools, you know. But they're focusing on pastry. But there are...
Yeah, but I remember when I came from France. Yeah. I was like, you know, I was 19 and I googled like, you know, what is the name? I don't remember, but it's like really famous culinary, culinary school.
And I googled, like, how much it costs, you know, and it's like, £200,000 or something like that. And it was like, you know, like maybe one day.
When I have some spare money to spend.
Yeah a little bit of spare money.
This is. This is interesting. Yeah, I would love to do that as well. Do you know that we actually have some sort of... They are not courses like long term courses, but it's more about classes.
Yeah, but actually I found several places already, you know, to go at the weekend, you know, just for I dunno 5 hours each weekend and you can actually, you know get there even licence but...
That information after we're done with the podcast. Send this my way.
Oh that's so interesting.
And call us for tastings if you have any. So we can taste the things that you cook.
That'd be cooking podcast.
Guys, once I heard also here, you know in our city, there was culinary classes in English. Oh.
This sounds like a side hustle we can make. A business plan creating, you know, you know.
Well, actually, you used to make cupcakes.
I did, actually. Yeah. I used to have a side hustle. I used to make cupcakes as a part time job. Yeah, so I used to sell cupcakes.
No, no, no. Not the cookies.
The cupcakes. Okay. Yeah.
Different kinds. I still. I've never tasted them, unfortunately.
How come? I used to bring them to classes, actually, when I was substituting at university. But yeah, that's true. I was working full time at a school, like at a secondary school. And then during the nights I used to make cupcakes. And then in the summer I used to make cupcakes for different events, like photography workshops, you know, wedding workshops and so on.
It was kind of a commercial.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It didn't bring much money, you know, but it was just fun experience.
Just a start up kind of. Yeah.
No, no. The thing is that, I used to, like, try the cupcakes that I made because I need. I needed to make sure that everything's, you know, on point, that it's all good that a cream is good. And one year, I think it was like two years after I started, I got severe food poisoning. Not with cupcakes, not with cupcakes, but just in general. We were travelling from Novosibirsk to Yakutia by car, and we had lunch at one of the diners, you know, just along the road. I got severe food poisoning. I could not eat anything sweet afterwards. So, like, for about a couple of months, I was very limited as to what I could eat. So and I thought, how can I make cupcakes if I cannot taste them? So what if I make something horrible and wouldn't know about it? So yeah. And then somehow, you know, just went down the hill. So, yeah. And I stopped. My friends know I used to... So sometimes I like that...
You consider just doing it again?
Well, I've been thinking, but the thing is that you can't get much money doing it. So it's more about for fun. I love doing it every now and then, you know. So but just like Natalie, I would love to...
Unless you hire some, you know, I don't know chefs and...
But you know what's the... No. If you hire chefs then you have to do the management work and all of that. No, I enjoy the baking side of the story. You know.
I love cooking, actually.
Yeah. Oh, we should consider going to this culinary courses together because I love cooking. I would love to develop this skill. There's one more skill which is absolutely not related to job that I would like to develop. Pottery. So making all this like working with clay, doing things, ceramics and stuff like that, just because you know it's so fun and helps you to develop your motor skills. So which is also good for the brain, you know, the neural pathways and so on. So yeah, I have no idea how it might come in handy, but it just sounds fun.
But again, also if you do the pottery so probably, or you bake the things that you...
Oh it's connected with baking.
Actually produce. And so you can start your own series of the product.
I know one girl. Yes. So she used to do the pottery classes and after that. So she bought the special oven.
Yeah, I think it's like a kiln or something.
Probably. I'm not sure I know that. So she produces really nice or, I don't know, mugs or plates and stuff. And they're adorable. So she has her own style. And I, I even bought a couple of things from her. Oh, gave it to my mom. Yes. Really. So. Yeah.
That's nice. What about yours? Are there any skills you would like to acquire?
I'm not sure now because I tried a few things, so I tried so after I was an event manager. Yes. So. Ah, after that I used to work for, I think five years in SPF. Oh, you know, in... A special effect making things so different masks, wigs, moustache and stuff. So that was...
Like a makeup artist, special effects.
So first it was like I was quite interested in makeup. Yes. So that was a nice idea for me as a cosplay. Back then. Yes. That was a handy thing. To learn. And after that I was actually fascinated in the thing how to do all those things like scars and stuff. You must know how to work with...
Props using the props and everything.
With latex, with silicone. Yes. And stuff. And then we came to moulds making boosts, for instance. Yeah. So like...
So you ask a teacher, Hey, is there anything else you're doing? And they're just shock you with things they've been doing.
So actually the teaching is my kind of fourth or maybe third. Yeah. Change of career.
Keep it. So keep it. You keep it for the aftershow. We're going to get more personal in the aftershow. The spicy detail.
So what I wanted to say now, I don't know exactly where the life can turn us.
And you well, given that you had a way from make up and everything to teaching. Yes. In your case especially. Yeah, right. But if we talk about skills and workforce. So what do you think will be the top skills needed for the workforce in the future?
In general, not only in not only in teaching.
I think soft skills will be really important.
Not being stupid would be enough I guess.
Not being stupid has been is and will always be the top skill.
And it's going to be important again knowing how to use it.
Are there any new skills that you think are going to be needed?
I, I would I would rephrase it a little bit. Being able to deal with AI. Oh yes yeah.
Communicating your ideas properly.
Using AI. Yeah. Because even now actually in game... Even though I like all these chats. Chat GPT and so on they appeared relatively not long time ago. If you look at vacancies now in game development industry sometimes they see like requirements being able to work with AI, it's already a skill needed in that area already.
In the movie industry. Yeah. Mhm. All the special effects most of the special effects are being made...
Nowadays, right. Yeah. Yeah.
But they are larger scale kind of business. Yeah.
So because if we're talking about, let's say, soft skills and so on, like critical thinking, empathy, they kind of have been needed for a long time already. So and I have a feeling that in the future it would be more about being able to work with technology, with certain devices, with certain tools. No matter what your area is.
Yeah. Actually, I think that's not only about working. That's about life.
For instance, the elderly people nowadays. So the, uh, I don't know, the government or maybe the city sometimes provides special courses for them, like, computer literacy. And so because that's important nowadays. Yeah. Because..
How to unlock their mobile phones. And use the apps and everything.
Uh, I think COVID changed quite a lot. And all those who could adapt. Yeah. So they actually, Yeah, they survived even the lectures online, even the...
Yeah, old professors for example.
They are not 30 years old. Yes. So usually they are older. Yeah. Mm. We talk about the general amount of... Yeah. In general age of the teaching stuff. Yeah. All over the world I would say. So, yeah. So those people who are flexible, who can learn something new. Like digital technology and stuff.
Some people learn technology during lockdowns and some people reinvent a piece of toilet paper. Yeah. Yeah, You remember that? Yeah. Yeah. We were just stockpiling all the toilet paper.
And speaking about, you know, all these digital things, there is one question that is on a lot of people's minds, which is... Which jobs will disappear then? So now that we have the technology and all of that, so a lot of people, a lot of people and professionals are afraid that, oh my God, am I going to be replaced by AI/ robot/ technology? So what jobs do you think won't exist in the future?
We don't have much postmen.
Receptionists, any clerk jobs or, I don't know, cashiers.
The robot or whatever. You can scan your mobile or whatever.
Even now, I mean, in California they have this ah, cashierless and like supermarket from Amazon with no cashiers.
In Japan too. Like a 7-Eleven without cashiers you just get in there. Yeah.
Even in our supermarkets. So there are zones with a cashier and there is..
All basic labour, I mean. All I don't know.
Like something demanding physical labour, like builders. Stuff like that.
Builders. I'm not sure. Probably. What else?
Like loaders. People who...
Move all the parts and things.
Or anything telephone involved or hard line.
Oh yes. Do you know there's like...
Telemarketers, call centres.
I'm calling you from this company. Would you like to try this product or whatever. So you can, you can automize it.
Actually I used to work like one. Kind of. Yeah. But again.
I was a dispatch for the international.. Uh.
No, no, no. The international company, which provided, uh, some transfer services. Right. So that was.
I thought airport dispatch.
No, no, no, not the airport dispatch. Just. Yeah.
I mean in different ones. So, yeah, I used to work, like, as a kind of dispatcher, you know, like for Aeroflot.
No, no. It was accepting calls. I think I spoke about this on one of the podcasts.
Call centre representative.
Yeah, exactly. For English and French. But it was later. But before that, when I was 19 I needed to earn money for going to France, actually. So and I was actually calling people cold calls, you know, to do some surveys, so. Hello. Would you like to answer a couple of questions?
No? They used to talk to you? Oh my goodness.
Yeah. A lot of people did actually.
And you should keep them on the line, right? For a certain period of time.
To answer all the questions. And there are a lot of tricks, you know, that I learned, you know, intuitively from that, like how to keep them interested, how you know, to. From the first line again to make them interested.
Introduce yourself well and make the first impression and everything.
Exactly. So and it worked, you know. Oh God I still remember some old people, you know not old but like in their 50s maybe especially men who were like, Oh, by voice, you sound like such a cute girl. You want to talk after this? Something like that. There was really kind of creepy.
Oh, my goodness. Yeah, well, I guess a lot of people nowadays, again, if we talk about jobs disappearing, they say, oh, we can see, you know, all this AI and so developing. So do you think that teachers will be replaced or interpreters will be replaced?
Interpreters, maybe, actually. I think might be.
No. No, I don't think so.
If we will. Let's change the business. Just do something else.
No teachers, probably not, because again, people need some personal approach all the time.
The same with interpretation.
Maybe translation but not interpretation.
Translation, yeah, but interpretation. I think, you know, it depends on the sphere. Speaking about political events, you know, some big things. It will not disappear I think it's gonna be there.
There's one thing about that that people say, Oh, it's going to disappear. I'm like, Well, the thing is that very often the job of an interpreter, not just to tell you directly, but to translate in such a way that the ideas convey. But you can not... You do not have the liberty to say what they've just said cause that just going to ruin the whole relationship between the companies.
Exactly, Yeah. If you speak about, you know, like, high, I don't know.
So yeah, it's much more. So that people do not really see. So the opposite question then what jobs do you think will be in demand in the nearest future?
Medical personnel, of course, as usual, as always.
Cause people are living longer. So. And they need more...
By the way, the scientists, I think are those people who learn like...
It goes, it goes with the job, you know, it comes with the territory.
By the way, I found a thing about lifelong learning. So I was watching an interview with the... I'm not sure how to call these people in like, you know, people who study about old people. Gerontologists?
Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, And he was speaking about, like, what kind of people live longer. So what you need to do. And apart from, you know, physical activity and definitely education and, you know, learning stuff all the time. So he mentioned that scientists are the people who live the longest because they live like and they learn.
And they use their brains all the time, all motor activity.
I would prefer to believe that teachers will fall into the same category, could fall into the same category. You know, I would love to think so.
Actually it might be. I think. Yeah, it depends. Probably if we speak about schoolteachers, maybe not.
You know that it's proven that the Alzheimer disease, yes. So to beat it, you need to learn languages. You need to do some manual...
So if we talk about, you know, what professions will be in demand, I believe that with the, you know, development of all these like AI and so on, I believe that we will need people who will deal with the AI and robots and what not. They will need to be operated. They will need to be maintained. Especially we talk about like robots. So it's still device the technology can break. So we'll need these professions.
And it's not like we have AI, and it exists. Yeah. So it needs more information, it needs new data all the time.
So and there is also a belief that with this fast paced world and the constant technology development, so some people should be ready to change their careers every five, ten years. What are your thoughts on that? Should we be ready to change the careers every 5-10 years?
I've already done that twice. So yeah, I would do that.
But did you... Let's keep it for the aftershow. We're going to keep that. I have so many questions.
Yeah. I've already spoke about myself.
Me too. But the idea that I have...
But I wait. Okay. Question without any detail to all of you. So you've changed careers. Okay, But did you do it because of technology development or did you do because you were sick and tired of the ...?
So it's not really connected with the technology development then.
I was interested in something new.
So yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't wait that. All right. The technology is going to replace my position, all right. I feel if I feel bored, I'd be just alright. Bye bye. See ya. What is next?
Cause it's more about like people being forced to change their position and their career because, well, it's like think about people who were working at the factory of Henry Ford before the revolution. Everything was done manually. But then with the, you know, with this revolution and everything automizing process, they had to find something else. So a lot of people were laid off because they were replaced by the technology. So I'm... I think about more of that side of the story where people will have to change careers because otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any sort of money because they would be replaced.
Right. Not all of them will have to change their careers. Maybe they will have to change to make some changes over there.
We saw in a lockdown time. Yeah. So we adapted ourselves just teaching online instead of face to face.
Fair enough. So we have to be...
Adapted in a way. Implementation.
Flexible. Yeah. All right. Well, we are going to talk a little bit about our personal experience and everything in the Aftershow. So guys, stay tuned for that and if you won't it was really nice to have you as listeners, so stay tuned and we'll see you around. See you.
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