Hey there and welcome to the BigAppleSchool podcast. My name is Sam.
And today we’re asking what’s the craic about minimalism. What the heck is minimalism – we’ll gonna find out. Is it art? Is it lifestyle? Is it both? We’ll find out about that. Who and whom is it popular?
How do you get into minimalism? What alternatives there are? Is it really a practical thing? Do I really need to do this? What’s wrong with my life? So, we’re going to find out all about that. Sit back, relax, and learn about minimalism, and hopefully get some of your English language listening done. Okay, Mike. Hello.
What is minimalism? Is this something you’re keen on, yeah?
Yeah, I mean, I’ve been practicing minimalism for about 5 years, I would say. Three years full time, but five years all up. Yeah, minimalism is, I mean, there is minimalist art - it is very very important to distinguish between what is minimalist art and minimalist lifestyle.
Cause I was like ‘What is minimalism?’ I googled it.
Cause we love to do that, we love to google. And it come up with, you know, art most of all.
Yeah those who have some art background or art education will immediately think of minimalist art. But, I mean, they’re two separate things and they’re kinda distinctive from each other. So, unfortunately, minimalist lifestyle has actually hijacked minimalism. Now it’s become more of a cultural thing.
What alternative word can you use?
What could it be? Being practical, being…. Removing clutter. Of-clutter-free lifestyle.
Yeah, you might call it that.
Zero clutter. Yeah, that’s kinda going a little too far. Let’s go clutter-free.
Okay. Zero clutter is too much, yeah? A little bit of clutter.
Yeah. A little bit of clutter. You’re free means generally generally free, doesn’t mean absolute zero.
Okay. So do you… So you’re a kinda guy who loves minimalist lifestyle? You’ve been practicing that lifestyle and ideas. Do you love minimalist art? Maybe this is a silly question.
Yeah, I mean, like I said I think that the best start is when they try to bring emotion out of simple things rather than.. It’s difficult to create something that sparks emotion, imagination and thought from something that is simple.
Whether it be music, whether it be film, whether it be just a piece of painting. Simplicity is where the true art is. Anybody can think of something very very convoluted and complicated. But it’s difficult to affect audience by doing something that is simple. So minimalist art - I’d be a fan of it.
But are you against a painting that is more realistic landscape if there is such a thing?
Oh, absolutely not. Look, like I said, art and lifestyle are often separate things.
So you could have a minimalist room with one wonderful cluttered kind of painting, but with a lot of interesting things happening there.
You wouldn’t cringe at that?
No, no, obviously. Different things, yeah.
Who is minimalism popular with? I thought I’d written this wrong. Who is minimalism popular with and why? I mean, who are you?
Anybody who is tired of the 9 to 5 consumerist lifestyle of the west – it’s that who minimalism is for, certainly that’s where the popularity is being at the moment.
So hang on here. Cause this is a learning here for me, because when you say minimalism, you’re not just talking about your rooms and your house?
It’s not just about having too many things?
You’re also speaking about what you do in life.
There is a physical aspect to minimalism, and then there is a mentality aspect to minimalism. Some say that there’s a spiritual side to it as well, but I don’t go that far with that. So, they are kind of distinctive from each other, but they all combine and form a lifestyle.
They tend to be young people who are sorta older than millennials.
That’s a stereotype from now – they’re young.
Yes, but they tend to be older millennials who grew up on the g-net access and everybody call them the baby boomers or whatnot.
A millennial is everyone who’s born from 1990ish.
Older than that or younger than that? From 2000.
Millennial – technically 40 and below.
We are millennials. The definition of a millennial is somebody who is a digital native. In other words we grew up in a digital world. So if we are to be given a digital device, we can work out how to use it, we can usually do it in 5 minutes, whereas the generations before us cannot do that.
I mean… Just imagine - we are the first generation to have personal computers, that is brought into the home, video game consoles, walkmans – all that stuff that is digital, essentially we have growing up.
Wow, okay. I think I knew that it was sort of…
cause millennial is 2000. Cause we used to call it the millennium – wow! And the computers are gonna explode, and… Do you remember millennial bug?
Yes. Do you have that Y2K – what they call it? Basically millennials are somebody who grew up around that period, or were born about that.
They were young in that time.
I was 17-18 around 2000. And so were you.
Funny enough so was I. I think the reason is that we are the same age.
Fun fact guys – Mike and I are about the same age. I’m a month older than you.
You keep mentioning that. I don’t know why you have to keep going to that. ‘I’m one month older than you’ and all that crap – why is that?
It’s because you should respect your elders.
I don’t know why I keep mentioning that. It’s not a competition.
I don’t know. You’re gonna take that to your grave.
It’s like I shouldn’t be competing about who’s older, right? Getting old is not necessarily a good thing.
You’re gonna get old and then you’re gonna be at deathbed. ‘I was older than Mike! I was one month older than he was!’
Yes, that’s what I’ll do. Yeah. I think… I remember going to school and I had a guy quite very very similar age and he was one day younger than me.
Now you start to get a little creepy with this.
I didn’t point that out like I do now. Maybe it is... Maybe because I’m getting that little bit older. I like to point that out.
I’m certainly starting to mentally feel the age. Which is why I think minimalism is on the topic. Minimalism does help me with that.
As I get older I want my life to be simpler. And more stress free. And minimalism helps me through that, it helps me to achieve that goal. That new need.
So minimalism is about reducing kinda stress in your life? Or if you do that, can you reduce stress?
Look, I’ll talk about the mental approach first, because that’s where everything comes from, even the physical. The mentality of minimalism is basically about addressing needs before wants or desires.
Yeah. Because we have a lot of wants and desires.
That’s right. We want this brand new this, brand new that, or this thing that we dream of. It’s not about that – it’s about addressing what do you need right now? Asking yourself that question. What do you need in order to be happy? Yeah?
And then just removing everything else outside of that, or trying to remove everything else outside of that. So that your mental focus day to day is what makes you happy. Yes? If you will need your future to need is that new true value is about forming great relationships with people and having great experiences with them.
Maybe, you don’t need to save for the Mercedes Benz. Or maybe you don’t need, you know, a penthouse. Yeah, in the middle of the city.
So you need to be very honest with yourself as to what you need, not what you want.
Yes. So identifying what you need day to day in the long-term is far more important to a minimalist than addressing desires which are often influenced by marketing from advertisers.
So that’s consumerism. That sort of thing.
So minimalism is anti-consumerism?
This is, absolutely. It is anti-consumerist. It is the polar opposite effect in my opinion.
Some might say that there are minimalists who’ve combined in a little bit of consumerism into their lives and they’re perfectly happy as a result. That’s fine. Power to them. But for me, it is….
Yeah, I mean as I would say…
What do you say, fair dinkum in Australia? Do you use that phrase?
I don’t. It’s reserve for some people, but I don’t. That’s some terminology that start to disappear.
Do you know the origin of that word?
Okay, it’s actually Chinese.
So during gold rush about 130 years ago or so, the Chinese came to Australia to mine gold like everybody else and there were a lot of Irishmen too. And dinkum is apparently a Cantonese word for ‘good gold’. So when they used to find good gold, they used to say dinkum. And then the Australians were there, and they took that up and said ‘fair dinkum’ – fair gold, gold, basically.
And in Ireland, especially in the republic of Ireland they say ‘fair play’.
Which, you know, I don’t think you need to explain this.
I think It’s universal in English.
How did you get into minimalism? I want to know.
Well, about 7-8 years ago – and my background is obviously film-maker, then later I became a chiropractor. I used to have a quite a busy lifestyle. I had like a consumerist lifestyle. You know, saving enough for a big dream, the house, all that kind of thing. And at the time I was about 28-29, maybe 30, and…
Very young man with dreams like many young people around the world. And I owned a couple of clinics at the time, and I was doing pretty good business, but then I woke up one day and I went ‘This sucks’.
This is not… There was some of part of me wasn’t fulfilled. I’m a young man on my way towards my goal which was to become a millionaire, by the time I was 35.
And it’s just… I mean, the doors were open and opening for me everywhere – I had patients flooding in, you know. I was making good money, you know. But it just wasn’t fulfilling. So I thought ‘something’s gotta change here’. That’s some part of me that desires that.
But there’s some part of me that’s feeling empty.
So I went on this sort of spiritual journey a little bit. Where I engaged… I started looking into religions, so Buddhism, Christianity, even Islam. I made some very good friends in all three religions. But I just… I mean, part of them all I felt Buddhism was the most practical in everyday life.
However, none of these three religions in their spiritual practices were for me anyway. They weren’t really applicable to everyday life.
So you’d go to a monastery, go to a mosque, go to a church – you feel good for a while, but then you come back to your own house. It’s almost like someone had erased experience and what you have learned, cause it was not applicable.
So I somehow came across minimalism as a result. And I found that this thing is applicable. This thing was designed…
Well, if you think about it, I realized the logic of it. When I was tired of was a lifestyle. I was tired of my lifestyle. So to learn a better way I turned to religion.
I was thinking about Dolly Parton.
Think about it – if you’re tired of your lifestyle and you turn to religion, maybe it’s the wrong way to turn. Yeah?
Perhaps you should look at different ways of lifestyles, at different lifestyles.
Focusing on the problem of not your spirituality… I mean, spirituality – I’m a great believer in it, but I believe that it should be a practical thing too.
I think so. And I think minimalism is pretty much all practical. It removes all the fat, and all you’re left with is something that is applicable to everyday life, every day, every moment, every second.
Okay. And is it connected… Is minimalism connected with any religion for some people?
Yeah. Look, I think that… Well, let’s talk… Let’s talk about physical first – what is minimalism in physical…? So we talked about mental, it’s about addressing needs before desires and wants, right? The physical is – what is… So what is necessary for you to be happy, right? So, instead of saying ‘these Nike shoes’, because Nike keep telling me that I need to have this brand, these… audience…
My peers are telling me that I gotta get these Nike shoes. Think about what is valuable and necessary to your lifestyle first. If you’re looking for durability shoes, it means that these shoes have to last. And you’re able to go hiking or whatever.
That’s right, maybe you should buy different brand shoes.
Yeah, if what you need is about fashion plus flexibility…
I had a fantastic pair of high-tech boots, and they’re not fashionable.
Yeah, but is fashionable valuable to you?
Have you seen my clothes?
Well, okay. Obviously durability might be one of your values.
It was very important. Cause I specifically used those to climb mountains – I mean, I don’t have to be fashionable to climb mountains.
I see. For me, whenever I choose clothing, basically I have three criterias, three things, three values that meet the needs. And everything else can go to hell. So those three valuables. Number one – it has to be fashionable…
so it has to look good, it has to fit correctly, to bring up the body shape. Number two – it has to be durable. So meaning that I’m able to go hiking with it, I’m able to go to the water with it, do whatever I want with it, It won’t tear, it won’t rip. Three is that it has to be breathable and flexible. What that means is – because Australia is a very hot country in general.
You’re gonna sweat a lot.
You’re gonna sweat a lot. So I need clothes that can absorb sweat fast, quickly, and dry it. So that I’m not trapped in my own sweat.
It’s what refer to in the UK as wicking.
I used to do a little bit of running, not too seriously. I did a little bit of running, I did have one or two, I don’t wear enough of them maybe now, but I did have some clothes like that wicked sweat away.
So because all my clothing…. When I have clothes that have all three of those values, all those attributes that I absolutely need, basically everything else I can forget. I can clear my headspace of ‘what I’m gonna buy, what I’m gonna wear tomorrow, what I’m gonna wear today’ – does it look good, is it comfortable, I don’t have to worry about that. I took that off my mind.
You don’t ignore fashion, it’s not about ignoring fashion.
Even though fashion isn’t necessarily a practical need, you do want to look good.
It is a practical need. Fashion is absolutely a practical need.
Well if you look good, then your relationships are often gonna be better with new people, right? So it is a practical purpose.
You then need to be sociable not to be a weirdo.
Well you don’t wanna be walking around wearing a potato sack.
So but if I was a consumerist…. So it has to have attributes all of three met, I forget about it. I don’t care. Which means I might have 5 pairs of shirts that meet those needs. And that’s all I need.
Whereas if I was a consumerist, every time I’m out, I’m swiping my credit card to buy something, because the advertising tells me so. So if a suit that doesn’t fit you, it’s hot inside of it, it’s not durable, it’s gonna rip after a year, you might just swipe your credit card because you think ‘Oh, I don’t know why I bought it’. Right? You don’t know why you bought it. So rather than having a closet full of t-shirts I’m gonna have five that meet my needs, and are…
Five is plenty if you’re going to do laundry twice a week.
Yeah? So I’m gonna have less clothing, but practical to my needs and values.
Going back to your question…
My next question is – is it practical? I think I can sense the answer.
It’s all about practicality.
It’s all about practicality and nothing else.
Right. So minimalism it’s almost like practicality, being pragmatic.
Being pragmatic. Basically you are a city-pragmatist. Pragmatist of city lifestyle. Because let’s face it – consumerism often is not pragmatic.
I think we’ve learned that lesson…
So you’re kinda being to influence by others rather than thinking more carefully, so I’m getting the sense that it’s an intellectual thing, because I mean you don’t have to necessarily be a scientist or a very very… like a rocket scientist or whatever, but you do have to think carefully.
Well, yeah, everything that spend. Minimalist you have to, obviously… Budget is important but like I said if it meets my needs, I don’t care how much it costs. Because it meets my needs and it;’s practical, I’m buying it.
Even if it costs three or four times the amount that if would another… In a quality of other materials. And I’m paying for it. Because it’s worth it. It makes me happy.
And you’re worth it. That’s consumerism, okay. So what is wrong with clutter? Someone will ask – maybe I will ask it – isn’t that an expression of life? So I’ve heard this phrase or this idea – I think I got it from a TV show that, you know, it’s not messy.
it’s not a mess, it’s showing that the place has life, it’s lived in. It’s lots of things I use every day, for example, I have a really really messy desk – but I know where everything is. It’s messy but I know where everything is.
And I know that all of this – this is the stuff that I’m using in my life, and it’s kinda of an expression of ‘last week I used that’, ‘this week I’m using this’, you know. And it’s all there on my desk and different layers.
What’s wrong with clutter? Okay it should be no surprise to you that a lot of people who turn to minimalism, the minimalist lifestyle, are doing this because they’re basically … people, they create a lot of clutter.
No, no. I wasn’t surely organized, but, you know, just like everybody else – smack in the middle what you call clutter. And I think one of things that consumerist lifestyle has taught us is that you can have the biggest house in the world that doesn’t mean anything.
Because we have so much stuff that we can fill up with clutter. Well you’ve seen – you go to someone’s parents’ house or whatever, it’s big, but you don’t have place to step on. It’s like space.
Space is psychological. The more space you have, you feel more freedom. And the more freedom you have, you feel more free and happy. If you have clutter, what happens to the space?
It’s taken up. So you feel less free. So you feel less free outside because of all those things.
No, but I want all those things. Maybe I don’t wanna less space, but I wanna those things.
Okay. So remember – it’s not about what you want, it’s about what you need.
Addressing that. All this stuff from the needs – and you’re fully funded, you cannot go wrong.
What if I need this week, and then I need another thing next week? I mean I literally need them, and I need all this stuff on my desk. And I’m lazy to organize it all the way and tidy it.
Yeah but wouldn’t you say that if you organized it in a certain way, that it would create efficiency? If you find something for more efficiency and do whatever more efficiently.
But maybe I’m sort of a… I would argue that it’s all there underneath my nose and I know where it is. Of course if my wife comes she’ll be like ‘why are you.. where is the stapler?’ or ‘where is…?’
Think about that – how is that practical when the person you’re supposed to live with and who’s supposed to be a partner finds that disgusting a). And b) finds it hard.
But what if she loves it? Maybe she thinks ‘oh it’s great, it’s fun’.
Well and then you’re not saveable. You’ll not be saved.
I‘m trying to push it here, you know.
Well, look, like I said – it’s the needs, it’s supposed to be the needs. If one of your partner’s needs is to be clean and you’re not clean and you’re full of clutter, you’re gonna create…
You’re gonna create a conflict. Little things cause big conflicts.
I should say that I’m not like that.
But I was like that when I was a teenager.
Well that’s to be expected out of a teen.
I try to have things organized and I am quite organized I think now. Should a minimalist have a social media and a mobile phone?
Absolutely, if it’s practical and necessary to you then.
That’s a very diplomatic answer.
It’s not diplomatic, it’s following logical consumerism.
If I’m spending an hour, or two hours, or three hours on my mobile phone, or in VK, or Instagram, Facebook, whatever – is that okay?
Okay. Let’s look at it from our needs’ point of view and practicality point of view. Will doing that allow deeper relationship with really important people in your life?
Okay. Well, I’ll give you my point of view – I’m not anti-social media.
But personally I don’t enjoy it. It’s not… I use WhatsApp, but I don’t enjoy it. And I think that three hours is probably excessive.
Okay so you’re not asking me a question. I asked you – will that create a practical result in your life by doing one of these things for three hours a day?
I think that personally I think that it’s not sociable enough. There’s no depth of… I mean.. Well…
Your need is depth in relationship with…
So I think that’s just the wrong tool.
If you’re speaking to a friend on WhatsApp and you’re speaking purely to that person directly, I think that you are maintaining a relationship. And I say maintaining, not developing. Cause I feel that social media doesn’t develop relationships but maintains them.
And is maintaining relationships valuable to you?
Well then, there you go. But is it the most efficient tool? That’s the question.
So here is the… If I’m using it to try and develop a relationship for me it won’t work? To deepen the relationship – for me it won’t work. I can try that. But to maintain, for example, a friend who’s in Northern Ireland – I can maintain a relationship with him.
Then the correct answer is that’s the maintenance tool. But it’s not something that you would use on people that you want to develop deeper relationship with.
So you need to set up an appropriate time for that. That’s the practical thing.
It’s not three hours for me.
You know, I just came across an answer to the question you were asking before. Before the whole physical side of minimalism. You asked me if it’s related to spiritualism, to religion. And I think, my suspicion is, and I’m not sure about this, is that minimalism was originally started by people who were into Buddhism.
I think so. But there is a very clear distinction between Buddhists and minimalists. And that’s to do with attachment. So minimalists might have sunglasses. A minimalist might choose these expensive Ray Bans sunglasses that are antiglare, anti-everything.
Because it’s practical and it folds in half, so it takes less space. And they love the design, so they choose it. And it’s one thing they need – they wouldn’t choose five different cheap sunglasses, they’ll choose one Ray ban, right? And they love it, they’re attached to it. And they look after it.
Literally they want to wear them.
That’s right. Well, not wearing them, that’s not what a minimalist do. A true Buddhist would have no attachment to that. So if those ray bans get lost or get damaged, so… Buddhism is about having no attachment, right? Whereas minimalism is about being attached to a very few things you value the most, that meet your needs.
Is minimalism too extreme? You spend a lot of time and energy keeping things to a minimum. Is that too extreme do you think?
I don’t think so. I think there’s a clear line difference between deprivation and minimalism. And minimalism is not deprivation.
You’re actually thinking about ray bans like something that’s gotta be a good quality.
And I mean very good quality.
Pay three times more, but they’re exactly what you want and love and will use every day, right? So now, that translates not only to ownership of goods, and it also translates to your food, what you eat.
True minimalist can eat the same things every day, same ingredients. Now I don’t provoke… I don’t advocate that, I personally think that’s unhealthy, but, you know, hard-core minimalists might actually do that.
So I think that’s when they start crossing the line towards deprivation.
And you get very tired of the same food.
It’s not just tiring, it’s nutritional value of it. It comes very limited. So I think that’s doing it a little bit wrong.
That’s anti-minimalism, cause that’s not what you need.
That’s right. By going too deep into minimalism these people have become almost…..
That’s the case of extreme.
What’s a typical day like for a minimalist?
Well, everybody’s different, there’s just no…. What do I do?
Okay, so I wake up in the morning and the first thing I would do is – make your bed, obviously. You do the same thing as everybody else does, alright? What should you do?
Kids! Make your bed. Mom told you.
The first thing I’ll do is I’ll take off my pajamas and I would roll them, because…
Yeah because that folding it is actually less efficient in space, than folding it. So I roll them, put them in one place – the same place that I did yesterday, the same place I will do tomorrow. So I don’t need to worry where I’m gonna put my pajamas or where they are.
It removes the clutter out of my head. So it’s free to do other things. And the next thing I’ll do is I’ll get dressed to do brushing teeth and I would… I have a cordless vacuum cleaner. So what it allows you to do is to vacuum more often, easily, and you have fun doing it.
So you know people don’t often vacuum their house because they don’t want to drag this big machine with tables and drag it around. It’s pain. It’s painful, so you don’t end up doing it. So I have cordless – it’s expensive, I understand.
It’s about two or three times more expensive, but hey that’s a minimalism mentality. So I would just vacuum, maybe, one area. If there’s three areas – the kitchen, the bedroom and the veranda. I vacuum one area.
And in the afternoon if I come back home I vacuum the second area. And tomorrow morning I’m gonna vacuum the third area. So what you… you break it up, so that’s practical. What you end up having at the end of the week is a very clean house all the time. Because you’re constantly doing it.
Yeah, little area. Remember – one bite size at a time. Just do it while you’re brushing your teeth or whatever.
By the way, hoover does make the best portable vacuum cleaners. That’s only what they make now. They should commit a 100% of production towards cordless vacuum cleaners.
Maybe they’re minimalists.
Okay. Wow, okay. That’s interesting. It sounds practical though. I like to think I’m a pragmatic person, I think practical, practically.
I think we have to be at this age. We’re actually, even in the west, we’re seen basically the living cost going up and up. But our salaries aren’t matching that. So we have to be more frugal, we have to thrift, we have to live more humble lives, and you know what? It’s not a bad thing.
If you do it properly, it can actually make you a lot happier.
One more thing I wanna ask is can we learn, you listening and me here, speaking with Mike, can we learn from western minimalism?
I think western consumerism has been… on most people’s lives. I think this is the thing towards misery. And you know who profits off that? Corporations. And they’re here right now in Novosibirsk promoting the same consumerism they did to us 20-30 years ago.
And they made our lives horrible and miserable. They drifted us into believing and getting into debt, and constantly swiping credit cards and debit cards that do happiness and cluttering our lives with goods made us happy.
It’s not true, kids. And they’re here because it no longer works for us in the west. We’re actually quite anti-corporal.
They’re not their targets. They’re not gonna go into mortgages or iPhones. But maybe they found out maybe people here would. Because it’s ostensible here.
I mean who do you know in Northern Ireland who’s gonna say ‘yes, I will go to the bank to borrow money and buy an iPhone’?
Yeah, that doesn’t happen.
Although it’s different financial reasons.
And when I was a kid, if you had a pair of Nike Air Jordans, you were the king of the class.
Does anyone care anymore if you wear Nike Jordans.
Nobody cares! Because these things, these goods have become so common in our lives, they’ve lost value. It’s here…
They probably care if you don’t wear fashionable shoes.
That’s right. We laugh at people who trade themselves in labels, right? And show off it, showed off.
But in here it is valuable, and people are willing to go into debt over it. And the corporations, the western corporations know this. They’re here marketing their products because this is their next goldmine. Here and China.
Maybe we should start minimalism ideas.
Just to take away messages whenever… when you’re about to swipe that debit card or credit card, or even before that when you look at a product and even consider buying it – ask yourself ‘does it meet my needs?’
Is it practical? If it doesn’t – what are my needs? If it doesn’t meet those needs, you don’t need it.
What I often ask myself is ‘Am I gonna use this?’ And I ask ‘Am I gonna use it now? Or in the next week?’. For example a book. I used to have lots of books. And I said no, I said to myself ‘will I read this soon?’
Not in a year, not in a month, but will I read this soon? Am I really going to read it? Cause I actually gave away a lot of books that I discovered I had bought them, I was interested in them, and I wanted to read them.
But I didn’t… I’ve so many that I didn’t need to read them, I didn’t have time to read them, so now – maybe a slight minimalist idea, but I don’t…. I wouldn’t class myself as minimalist, but I think ‘hang on!’. When I do buy a book, which isn’t too often, I say ‘will I read it? And will I read it soon?’ And if the answer to either is ‘no’, then of course I don’t buy it.
It’s almost minimalist attitude. The future in the past doesn’t exist. Now is the only thing we have. So you’re thinking about the now. And of course, I tend to think a little more about the future.
And I’m thinking if it’s a book that’s just going to be added to a collection, and it’s never gonna be read, then there’s no point in spending money.
I think that’s a good idea. That’s a good little mini step you can do. A little baby step you can do towards perhaps a little more minimalist. You don’t have to be a minimalist or live a minimalist lifestyle, but you can be a little more minimalist. And I think that’s gonna help everyone.
That sounds like a nice phrase – ‘a little more minimalist’.
Minimalistic. So guys, that was the craic about minimalism. We looked at what it is, the art versus the lifestyle. With whom is it popular. How do we get into it. What alternative… Well we talked mostly about the practicality of minimalist.
Minimalist lifestyle, what it looks like, what’s wrong with clutter, and what typical day might be like. And what we can learn here in Russia from western minimalism. So that was the craic about minimalism.
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