Hello, hello, guys. Welcome back to another episode of the Big Apple three podcast where the goal of the show is to help you improve your English listening skills and of course to boost your English vocabulary range. My name is Ben, and so I'm joined by three participants. Our first host or first participant today is...
And last but not least, we have a new participant today.
Okay. Nice to meet you. Ayoub.
Ayoub. Welcome, Ayoub. So, so, Ayoub. Welcome to the Big Apple School.
So when did you get here?
I got here, like last week.
So I came from a far place from North Africa.
Oh, North Africa. So I guess it's a hot place.
Oh, partly like sometimes hot like it depends on the season. So it's very cold in the winter. Very hot.
In the summer. Cool in the autumn and warm in spring.
Oh, cool. So when you say cool, is it like Novosibirsk cool or is it..?
No, cool like 25 degrees like this.
Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. Oh, that's a nice temperature. Is it humid or is it more..?
It is like my city is a humid.
My country in general has three different climates.
So we have the Sahara climate. It's very dry.
We have the Tell climate which is like sometimes hot, sometimes not.
And we have the West. It's like in my city, it's really drought, like, wet.
Also well with the country. You're from Algeria, correct? Yeah.
So where is Algeirs the main city there?
Capital, yeah. The capital.
So my city is called Oran and it's the second largest.
Cool. And the main language, I guess, is Arabic, yes?
Arabic, French and Tamazight.
Yeah, Tamazight is not well known, but actually Imazighen they were the natives of Algeria.
The whole North Africa, actually. Morocco, Tunisia, Libya.
So, yeah, the Arabs came later and they...
Cool. So can you speak French and Arabic?
Oh, wow. So you're real polyglot over here. Oh, that's so cool.
So welcome. And what is the journey like here all the way from Algeria?
Well, I was a bit stressed, but I could cope with that after time, so I just realized that this is reality. I'm going to another country now, and I have to adapt to it, you know?
So it was a long journey, of course. Tiring. I couldn't sleep for more than 24 hours.
Yeah. When I came here, I wanted to fix that sleeping time.
But I couldn't, so I just fell asleep. And I found myself awake at night, and I didn't know, like, What time is it now? Yeah.
Yeah. Later on in the winter, you'll notice the days are very short here. The sun comes up at, like, nine.
And comes down or like three or four or something. Yeah.
Cool. And your last name is Harache.
So is it related to your last name, Ugur?
So I know the different languages but are they somewhat linked? But what's your last name? Arac.
Harache is actually one of the cities name in ancient times of Turkey.
So I think I'm convinced it must be some kind of distant link or something.
It sounds similar, right? They sound similar. Yeah. Arac, Harache.
Actually, we have common history.
So why Novosibirsk? Any... Did you have you been here before or..?
No, actually, this is my first time in Russia.
But since a very long time. And I have this sort of admiration for Russia.
And everything. The weather. Many people don't like cold weather, but I like it.
I always dream about cold weathers...
Because I'm a writer, and this atmosphere has me to write something.
Oh, you're a writer. That's so cool.
So it gives me this inspiration for writing. And I don't know, I just fell in love with Russia.
With the culture and everything. Like the food, you know.
So I have also, like, other reasons which are personal, but mainly this.
So I came here and like the first time I landed, I felt like I'm home really.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, yeah. Do you feel at home, Varya, here in Russia?
Yeah. Sometimes I look out the window I think, Where am I? Does it matter? Yes, those those days. But as... Well I used to say and I could still say I'm home wherever I hang my hat. It's sort of like a cowboy slang.
Yeah. And what about you, Ugur? Do you feel at home here in Russia?
Not in the mornings, but, yeah. Usually I feel at home, so I feel comfortable. So.
I'm okay. Yeah, okay. I feel okay.
Though. I feel strange. I actually feel more at home here than I do in England or..
Than I do anywhere. I mean I love England. Great country. But strangely, I feel more at home and in Siberia. Yeah, it just feels like maybe my past life was here or something.
So. Yeah, cool. So welcome.
You're welcome. What else is new this week? So the Prime Minister. The British Prime Minister...
Yeah, I think it's 44 actually. She's still going to remain the Prime Minister for a while until not a while, actually. For a few weeks, I think until the Conservative Party elects a new leader, because we have a different system to the US where we elect parties and not presidents.
And there's a call for Boris Johnson possibly to come back.
It would be quite interesting if he came back. I'm not sure if he will be the Prime Minister again. I think it's going to be a guy called Rishi Sunak. That's my prediction. I could be wrong, but have you heard of Rishi Sunak?
British Indian guy who is really intelligent, really well spoken, comes from a very wealthy family, but he's a very intelligent guy. And I don't know, maybe he might do a good job. I don't know.
I guess the mayor of London is from India, I guess.
Yeah, well, he's well, he's from London. He's born in London, but his family is from Pakistan.
That's right? Yes. Sadiq Khan.
But Boris Johnson was originally the mayor of London. Yeah. What else? What else? I've got a haircut, which my mom is going to hate.
Oh, I gave aid and comfort to... Well, I'll tell a very short story. As you know, I feed birds that come to my cell...
And on occasion in the winter usually a long bug will come in and I will give aid and comfort to a long bug. He's going through his death throes, and I want to give him some dignity while he's dying. So I usually give him a spot of water, a little lettuce, make a paper tent for his convenience.
So I left him there for a few days, and I got down on my knees. I removed his paper tent to take a view of him from my glasses. And I saw that it was not a bug, but a sunflower seed. So I had been...
Yes, I had been giving aid and comfort to this sunflower seed. I felt really stupid, but I had no witnesses. So that's okay.
Feeding the seed. Coll. Well, something else is new. So we have reached sixth place in Cyprus in the Apple Podcasts. And, yeah, these podcasts go up and down. So our rating, well, at one point we were in the top ten, I think, of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia. Now we're 11th place in Russia, still a pretty decent place. But thank you, Cyprus, for listening to us. Maybe there must be a lot of Russians in Cyprus, I guess, who love the BigAppleSchool.
So thank you very much, Cyprus. And also, guys, just to let you know, do follow us on our podcast platforms Costbox, VK, as we mentioned, Apple Podcasts and of course you can visit us on our website www.bigappleschool.com. Also stay tuned for the after show. You can find a link in the telegram chat. In the aftershow we're going to discuss today's topic in more detail.
And of course, you can get word lists to help you with your vocabulary and a whole lot more. So definitely check out the aftershow in the telegram chat. And also we want to say thank you to a few individuals. Firstly, Dima Kiselyov, Nafisa, Daria Ramazanova and Anna Kalashnikova. You got a great last name, great last name.
So, yeah, thank you so much. And also want to say thank you to NinaNina. So NinaNina, she pointed out, well, she gets the Cleaning topic. So thank you very much, NinaNina, for being active in our show. All right, guys. Well, today's topic, we're going to talk about phobias and we'll continue this topic in the aftershow. So anyway, guys, so what's the first thing that comes to mind when you think of phobias?
For me personally, I only see darkness.
Because I had this experience in the past. So the term "phobia", of course, means something.
But for me, when I hear this word, I just remember my past. It's like something traumatic.
Yeah. So this is what comes to my mind.
Yes, so fear. And. Yeah, it's a Greek. I guess it's Greek, isn't it? Phobia.
Yes. So what do you think of, Ugur, when you think of phobias?
Same with Ayoub. I also think like darkness and I think of phobia or like fear.
Yeah. It's also a great Iron Maiden song.
Yeah. So only, yeah, I have only...
I mean, as our listeners might know, I love planes.The lead guitarist is an airline pilot. Steve.
That's it. I think, it is him.
Bruce Dickinson is the lead man.
An airline pilot. He flew around the world.
Exactly. They're flying their own on Jumbo Lake, seven, four, seven like...
Yeah, a jumbo jet. All right. So, yeah, so he has a cool song about.
That's a great song. Yeah.
So, Varya, what else do you think?
I think of other people's dark, the dark and spiders are usually the two top phobias I think that people are afraid of. I'm not really afraid of spiders.
Spiders. What else are people afraid of?
Heights. Fear of heights.
Oh, fear of heights. It would be vertigo. Yeah. And would you say I have vertigo or I suffer from vertigo? What would you say, Varya?
Yeah. So I have vertigo. I have a fear of heights. So, yeah. Claustrophobia.
Yeah. So did we say snakes?
Oh, yeah. Snakes is a big one, too.
Snakes. Yeah. Well, the reason why we're talking about this is because Halloween is around the corner. So we're going to talk about Halloween more in the aftershow. So stay tuned for that. So why do humans have phobias?
Personally speaking, like I think it comes from traumas and bad experiences because let's say, for example, claustrophobia. Someone who is a child, like he gets stuck in an elevator, in a lift. So, like that experience can cause phobia for him after that because I'm sure if he gets stuck there for one hour or more, he will never get back there, like, any more, you know?
Self preservation is another aspect. I think people want to protect themselves and if they feel like they're going to fall off of a bridge or a snake is going to coil around their neck and suffocate them, they just want to stay alive.
So they do. So do you think phobias and fears are the same thing?
You know, they're different.
So what's the difference?
What is the difference. I think more more intense. A phobia is really intense.
I thought of phobia was irrational.
Irrational. Plus, it's kind of like a fixation. Fear is kind of a sudden feeling that you feel. And phobia is kind of more long term or...
Psychological, like fixation kind of thing.
Do you think we can consider phobia as a chronic fear?
Yeah, good question. Yeah. I would say probably, yeah. Yeah. Claustrophobia, I mean we, we just mentioned that when you said it's rational, it's kind of rational to be scared of a small space.
Yeah, especially if it's close without windows. If there's any exits.
Yes. Yeah. Like some expensive hotel rooms in London.
Or there's little mini hotels or something like in Japan.
So, yeah, capsule hotels.
So have you ever stayed in?
I stayed in Hong Kong hotel, like you said, like a little tiny room with no window and nothing.
Did that induce a phobia in you?
No, not at all. I'm alright. I guess I don't have any kind of fears and phobias like.
Yeah. So claustrophobia has some kind of logic behind it. So do you think the word phobia, like we said, has it's more about fixations?
Yeah. We probably overuse the word as well.
Yes. Yeah, exactly. But what other interesting phobias.
Oh, okay. So I knew someone who had a phobia of spiders and he would actually break out in sweat, his palms would get sweaty. So that's definitely some kind of phobia, even just thinking about not seeing a spider or spider.
Kind of conditioning you mean.
I mean spiders do have a poison and stuff, some spiders do. So I kind of understand why people would be scared of them.
Well I, I went camping one time and when I woke up on top of the through the sunlight, through the shadows of the tent, I could see about ten huge daddy long legs and daddy long legs, they get like, you know, like a quarter their bodies according...
So for listeners daddy long legs are those spiders with really long thin legs.
It's a pretty common I guess in most parts of the world.
But these were huge. The bodies were like of a huge disc and legs were really long. So I had them all on the tent. And so I crept out of my tent and I, I went to someone and said, you know, I've got a lot of, you know, spiders on my tent. And she came and I was I was really I just admired her. She took the feet and pulled them and just toss them, you know, very gently. She was of course.
Without having any irrotation.
Right. And respect I mean, we're out in we're out in nature. It's there.
So wait, wait she pulled the feet off?.
No, no, no she was pulling them by their legs. I'm going to assume they have feet. Maybe they don't have feet.
This is when the preposition is important. .
And tossing tossing to the side, not throwing away like in a garbage can, which is tossing them aside that we're out in nature. This is their home.
And so the point was to get them off my tent so I wouldn't, you know, live with these spiders on top of me.
But that was I liked, I liked how she did it and I admired how she was fearless. And so that was something that I want to be like. And then at the same time, later on that day, some snakes came up. There were the grass was at least four or five feet tall. And these are just grass snakes, but really thick like this, really thick.
And they just stood up and their heads went around. I thought, Oh my goodness. So I went and got the same lady. I go, There's a bunch of snakes standing up in the grass and she just grass snakes are not going to. So I just sat there. I was reading Dostoyevsky out as I was camping.
Of course, it's nice poisonous. I think they...
No. These were, they were just minding their own business. What am I going to do, kill them all? I mean. Well, what was what are you supposed to do when you're going camping? You're not supposed to kill everything around you. That's my point.
You have to respect nature. So if you don't like animals and you don't like insects, then just stay inside and isolate it. But if you go into their habitat. You've got to respect them. And...
And what about mosquitoes?
I hate mosquitoes. I don't like them.
But you can you can kill the mosquitoes.
We have different mosquitoes in California. They buzz and you could be falling asleep. And then they come in and buzz. But then I notice the mosquitoes down in the south, in Georgia, they don't make this completely silent. So you don't know mosquito.
Yeah, ninja and they're small. Here I don't see these here. And all of a sudden I wake up my hands swollen, so I don't know what.
Ayoub, I guess you have a lot of mosquitoes in Algeria.
Yeah, especially when it is humid there. So in the summer it's invariable really like, uh, sometimes you can find a mosquito the size of a butterfly.
I saw it by my eyes. Yes, I saw it. And I was like, I was thinking like, what if this mosquito comes to me right now and sucks my blood.
Do you wear a net or how do you protect yourself?
Not to that extent. I mean, for example, if you are in a well equipped house and like a very nice place, like not dirty and such things, you are okay. And we have some products also to, to kill those mosquitoes.
But if you go to a forest, for example, or a place that has water in it, so of course you will be encountered with such...
And do you have malaria in your country?
Oh, nice, that's great. So, yeah, they're just annoying animals. They don't. They don't life threatening.
Yeah. Cause my original birth country, Brazil, they have more. I think malaria can sometimes be a problem there. Yeah, and that's an understandable phobia.
But it's as, as easy as being provided with nets over while they're sleeping. Some kind of protection from the mosqitues.
Just install to the windows.
Yeah, because I'm thinking about gates, Melinda. What's his name? Gates.
Yeah, yeah. That was one of their projects, was to provide all of these nets to places that needed them and was just that simple.
Yeah. So phobias of mosquitoes. I'm definitely not a fan of mosquitoes. Here in Novosibirsk we have a fair share of mosquitoes.
And I don't even see them. I don't even know how they look like.
I got to know these guys.
Yeah, they just get bitten. Like, oh.
In Siberia, east forests of Russia mosquitoes everywhere. Oh, yeah. You you can enjoy it next summer.
And some live in like the basements of buildings because it's dank. Well, I can say Saint Petersburg. That's what I was warned about in Saint Petersburg. Even in the winter. Someone warned me, well, when you go there, there may be some mosquitoes. And I was so surprised because it's not arid like here.
Yeah. Arid climate. So. Yeah. So dry. Exactly. And our desert, I was going to mention earlier, we were talking about the spider. You were talking about pulling the spider. This is what prepositions are important for listeners, because if you pull the legs off of the spider, that means that.
By, yeah, by. Exactly. By. So, yeah. Exactly. This is for our listeners. Prepositions sometimes do matter. Not always, but this is what it does about it. Because if you pull the legs off the...
Spider, you leave the spider in a...
It's like a little nugget. It's not very nice. I mean, maybe some people do that in their childhood when they experiment with spiders, but it's not a nice thing to do.
It is burning with the magnifying glass.
Magnifying glass.Yeah.That is in cartoons. I've seen that. I think in The Simpsons.
Simpsons that they use that.
With the magnifying glass.
Yeah. Which bugs I mean is, is still on the topic of phobias which bugs are acceptable to kill cockroaches? Would you kill cockroaches? Because I have a phobia of cockroaches.
It's not about, having phobias about them, but, it's about for, like, personally speaking, I disgust them.
Yeah, you disgust them, yeah.
I feel like that. Like my body starts shivering, you know?
Yeah. The horrible animals, really. I mean, Varya, what's your philosophy about cockroaches?
Well, I had to get used to living with them when I lived in Japan.
There was so many flying big black flying cockroaches, which I had never seen. So I'd seen the little tiny ones in New York City.
These are huge. And they fly. Yeah. Yeah. So I just had and every morning I'd get up and I'd open up the medicine cabinet and there he would be on my toothpaste because they love toothpaste and TV sets, they just love just weird things to eat. And so you just have to live with them because how can you get rid of them?
Yeah, because there's so many.
Yeah, there's so many. And then down in the south in Georgia. Yeah, I had to learn. Well, it was good for a diet because at night they come out and it's dark. So that keeps me in my bedroom and I don't get up to get a snack or anything. It's like I'm too afraid of cockroaches, so it kept me nice and thin. But when you are very comfortable in your apartment, you can move freely around. You can go eat anytime you want to.
Yeah, oh, by the way, listeners, we do have a podcast that we recorded a while back about pests.
So definitely check that out on our website or on the other podcast platforms. Yeah, I could talk about pests forever. It's really interesting.
This one big cockroach. If you just see one and you watch that one, they have a personality, they have intelligence, they can do stuff. And it's kind of interesting. I, I got interested in it because of, because my vet assistant said, Hey, come over here. Look at this, this insect under the microscope.
And I saw it and I thought was just so amazing. So I like to Google from time to time faces of insects because they're just like, look like they're out of this world, but they're part of this world. I mean, only a mother could love these faces.
And, you know, do you know that cockroaches, they can survive nuclear radiation?
Right. Yeah. So when you said it, like they are from our world, when I think about it, I think the opposite.
They probably run the planet anyway.
If someone just did some kind of study of how many ants there were in the whole world.
And it was... It was some big, unimaginable number. Yeah.
Oh, can you know, can remember the number?
Oh, I don't know, something like, you know, 300 trillion or oh, 300 trillion per person or something. I don't know.
I guess there is a lot of space in the world for ants.
There's a lot of fire ants in Georgia. I don't know if you've ever seen a fire ant mound, but they can grow like really tall, like three feet or two feet, and they're just full of fire ants. And they bite They definetly bite. They take over.
Yeah. Well, do you ever have nightmares of insects or other things that you're scared of?
Yeah. Falling, I think falling.
Yeah, falling off a cliff.
Yeah, something like that.
I don't have. I don't know.
Do you believe in dream interpretation where you can..?
Sometimes, yes. Because I had some experience in this, like maybe three times in my life. I dreamt about things, and they really happened.
One day I didn't see my friend from primary school for years, okay.
In that specific day, like, I was at university, I was a student at university, so I went to sleep at home. Then I had this dream that I met him across the road. Then the next day, I found him.
Imagine, like I haven't seen him for 15 years or more, you know?
Were you shocked by that?
Of course, yeah. I told him. I just believe and you know, when I was a teacher back in Turkey, I had many students and I used to ask and this is like specific question. And they tell me that they don't believe. And if someone tells them that they encountered this experience, they wouldn't believe him also. But when it happened to me, I cannot even like prove it because it's just speaking, you know, like.
It's kind of premonition, I guess, right?
In a way. So you just see something, and next day you're having that. I would be freaked out, you know? Yeah, that's kind of I don't know scary. I don't know. I wouldn't. Yeah.
So have you had any of..? Have you had any scary dreams other than falling?
I had a really strange, scary dream when I was a kid. I remember it was so strange. It was like I had a top down view of a train track and the two train tracks started coming really close together. It made me feel very sick for some reason. It was the strangest dream. Yeah, so strange. And literally just the tracks getting closer to go closer and closer to each other.
It just doesn't even make sense.
It doesn't even make sense. It doesn't
Yeah, and it just made me feel ill. And I don't understand. What does that mean... Does it mean..?
I had a strange nightmare also one day where I couldn't speak. There was like a bear and soil.
It was an open area with a cemetery in it. And the sky was dark and there was a woman dressed in black and she looked very pale and said. Then she started like a pointing with his finger to follow her. It's like she was asking for help. But I couldn't speak and she couldn't speak.
So it was like very meaningless nightmare. But I was afraid in that moment because I really felt like I was in another world. Like it's not from our planet or really, you know, so. And it lasted for a long time. That's the problem. It's like, for example, if... I want to follow her to help her, but I cannot, like I always go back to my place.
That's was the experience, yeah.
Yeah. I have that kind of experience. Sometimes I have like sleep paralysis.
I feel like I can't move or I can't like breathe like three or 5 minutes or whatever and I just wake up and it's gone.
It sounds like an interesting topic that we need to continue for another time.
For sure. Absolutely. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, horror movies. I know you're a connoisseur of horror movies.
I like it. I like movies.
What do you, what does everyone think is the appeal of horror movies? Why do people love being scared in the living room?
Sadism? Yeah. So people like a bit of masochism.
Yeah, I think it's facing your fears because I do like watching crime shows. It sounds horrible.
Oh, I love crime shows as well.
Yeah, many of them are intriguing and everything, but it's all... Horrible things happen and you just have to face that fear that could happen. And what should you do if this were to happen to you? So this is kind of like, I think, facing a way of facing fear.
Or you are alienating yourself. All right it's not going to happen to me.
Oh, yeah. That's true. Right.
It's happening to those people. I'm saved.
I'm sitting on my couch and just watching it.
You can just alienate maybe.
And, and we have to come in too if we think about death. A lot of young people don't think about death. But as you get older or some people always think about death anyway, but we have to confront that that day that we die. And how are we going to die?
Sure. For the people who watch scary movies, I made the research about it and I found that it depends on the personality of the person. There are some people who are intuitive and they love to solve mysteries in an extreme way. So watching scary movies, it stimulates them.
To solve like they feel joy that's a they they satisfied their psychology that they solved a problem like they thought about how the movie will end and everything in an extreme way, of course. Like watching a horror movie.
Yeah. So that's probably the main trigger. Yeah.
But there's some things I can't watch. Like. Like the Halloween stuff where there's... The Chainsaw, Massacre and things like...
You mean Curtis Halloween?
I don't know. I don't even watch them. But when I see them, you know, trailers of them are clips like, oh, no, no, no, I can't watch that. This is too extreme.
Yeah, yeah, that I can't. That's just, like, a waste of time. I can't do that.
I mean, whenever I watch those films, I always have in mind like the the people filming them, like what a fun time.
And yeah, do it this way. No, do it more like this.
And, you know, in scary movies, they use specific sound.
This sound is ultrasound, and we cannot hear it, but it can. It vibes. It can affect you to fear what you are looking.
I never thought about that.
So they use ultrasound again.
Yeah. Well, I love crime shows. Absolutely.
So we definitely have that in common. Varya, do you watch Cops? You know that TV show?
You mean bad boys bad boys.
What are you going to do? You in the circle.
Yeah. I watched the rerun the other day. So funny of this scary redneck lady who beat another person with a can of corn.
I thought this was the best. It's the best TV in the world.
It's not that intriguing, right?
Oh, is it? Just like I'm so scared of that woman.
I love it. I love it. And I definitely recommend it for listeners who want to improve their English.
Yeah, it's simple, but also complicated. Informal language can be really difficult for learners of English, whereas like more middle level, middle level registers or more formal registers. Surprisingly, It'is difficult to pick up as like really conversational registers and Cops. Yeah, plenty of that. I love that show. And, yeah, like how you, how you mentioned how it's a way of overcoming your fears so I can watch this trash TV and feel like I'm doing something.
Something good for yourself.
So. Yeah. Yeah. What are your favorite horror movies, Ugur?
Oh, dear many of them like Exorcist, you can say like the class one, we can say the Halloween series with the Jamie Lee Curtis. We can say the Friday the 13th.
What is Hostel, you know, that film Hostel?
Is that horror? Would you classify this as a horror film?
I guess it's kind of more psychological. How can... A thriller we can say maybe.
But, it's also there's also kind of horror elements in that.
Do you like horror films, Ayoub?
Oh, I am more into science fiction.
But I watched too many, like, yeah, you too, Ugur. So but I watched, like, horror movies. Like the Jigsaw series.
Like the Conjure series, you know?
So. Yeah, but I'm not a fan of them.
Has anyone ever seen The Human Centipede?
Yeah, of course, come on, man. Don't even ask about it, you know? Yeah. Human Centipede.
I leave that to the audience to watch if you can...
What about those, like, 1950s sci fi movies with all those huge spiders or those huge creatures?
Oh, like Godzilla as well.
The original one, like...
Are they actually scary or well maybe?
They are funny now, but at the time...
They were cult kind of, yeah.
Yeah, well, it was like new technology. How did they do this? You know.
I guess the screenwriters were really talented, probably even more talented back in the old days than they are now.
Because there were no CGI. They need to be more creative by writing and putting something on the script, you know? Yeah.
But then you use your imagination. We know that. Okay, that's probably just a fake, you know, spider or whatever, or a toy thing, and they've just zoomed in on it. But you use your imagination, you can still get scared because that's all in your imagination.
I remember watching a movie like this before, like it was from the past, and it was about spiders, like big spiders. There was like a chemical experiment that made them...
Right. There's always a scientist or something.
Yeah. And they were cool times actually, in the past, like you said, it was like, more interesting than now.
Yeah. Yeah. My favorite would have to be Hostile.
That's. That's. That's a good one.
I guess they're three of them, right?
I've definitely seen one or two.
Maybe there was a third one. Hadn't seen it.
You have other examples of horror movies, not horror movies or movies, but like in psychological ones, like do you know Irreversible?
Okay, that's completely different genre. Mix of everything.
What about Get out? Have you heard of that one?
The man buried alive into the coffin and tried to get out of that one.
Not that one. It's. It's where this is a scientist, the scientist in the states. He wants to replace... He wants to help old, rich, old white men rejuvenate their bodies. And he captures he captures black people and he replaces their brains with the old people. And it's so scary. It's such a good film. It's a movie.
Oh, it's amazing. Get out. Definitely recommend it. And it's just a fascinating film. Definitely. Check it out. You're going to love that film.
I think I do like Fatal Attraction. That's so scary.
I've never seen that one.
Oh, you've got to see it. You'll really be scared, I think. And you'd be very careful in your life, I think.
So I guess I remember that.
We said earlier, what are the common reactions to phobias? You said sweaty palms. What else?
Anxiety. And how can we actually cure this? I would you say by watching horror films.
Fight fire with fire kind of thing? Yeah.
I think we should expose those people to what they fear.
That's what I've read what therapists do that you have to...
Yeah. Yeah, right. Experience it without the harm from it.
So is that cognitive behavioral?
But sometimes it can cause some serious conditions. For example, there was a story about a man who was afraid of heights, and they took him, like upstairs in a skyscraper. So he got a heart attack.
It also happens like a flying phobia. So it's...
Can be affected in different negative ways, like panic attacks and everything. Yeah.
Yeah. Because flying is the safest mode of transportation.
Yeah, it's fun, but I can understand why people are scared and it's...
Yeah. I hate flying. Yeah, I'm afraid of it, but I use my logic. Okay. There are a lot of planes that have taken off and landed safely.
Then this going to be the one of them. Yeah.
Oh, any moment there's thousands in the sky any moment. Yeah. Perhaps... So you just use logic.
Yeah. Yeah. And then I often when I'm in a conversation with someone, if they're telling me that they're going somewhere, I said, Do you like flying? Oh, yeah, it's easy. I remember. Oh, wow. They can like flying. It's normal to just like fly and I, Let me, let me be normal. So it's like quest for being normal. Yeah.
So what do you think about hypnotherapy?
Way of helping people's fears.
For me, for me, the word hypnotherapy. I always think about illusion because they are making you experiencing an illusion. So I think if you want to cure a phobia by a hypnotherapy, I don't think it's going to be forever. It's a temporary thing because once you get exposed to that situation again, I think you would have the phobia again.
Yeah, because the hypnotherapist is the one with the power. They've got the watch or the pendulum or however they do it. And as long as you're connected to that one that's helping you, and then you disconnect and you're on your own and you don't have the power of yourself. So that whole thing of being able to do it yourself.
I believe some people are more susceptible to hypnotherapy than others. Not everyone can undergo hypnotherapy. Some people, maybe some people are cynical about it. But I've heard that some people have given up smoking. Hypnotherapy. Do you believe it's actually true or do you think..?
Just like I can't pronounce your name, Aur? No, no.
No, no I know that. It's a "b" on the end of it, right?
Ayoub. So Ayoub was saying, was that you get help and then as soon as you break from that person. So it's the same thing with us stopping to smoke. You just can't go back sucking on the cigaret.
Because we are literally hypnotized.
Once you wake up from that hypnosis, so you will face the same thing again.
For me, like, it's my personal opinion.
Yeah, I'd like to try. It seems like quite fun.
Yeah. If it works, why not?
Well, in the Aftershow segment, we're going to talk about our personal fears. Well, I know you don't have too many, but, yeah, we're going to talk more in detail about our personal fears. And, yeah, maybe hypnotherapy might.
Or maybe fear of death. That's all about the fears and phobias like the root of all.
I think everyone has a fear of death to some extent.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, not. Not that much. I had, like, three near-death experiences.
Yeah, we're going to talk about that. Save that jam for the aftershow.
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